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#112395 - 07/26/10 10:02 PM Amish style messianic community/farm?
The Wellers Offline
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Is anyone interested in starting an Amish style messianic community/ farm? My husband and I are tired of chasing our tails in this family destroying system we work in. We would love to be able to celebrate Yah’s feast days, but getting off work is almost never permitted. We would love to have a piece of land where we can raise food, livestock, home school our future children…etc. We are not wealthy my husband is a driver for a beverage company and I teach at a “Christian” school. The idea of servants of Yah dwelling together is a great one!!! We would even be willing to work for our room and board, anything to get out of this system. I was in tears today over the fact that we can’t celebrate Sukkot due to work schedules. We don’t know what to do..other than pray that Yah will show us a way! Does anyone else here have the same dream as us?




















Ezekiel 11:17 “Therefore say, ‘Thus said the Master יהוה, “And I shall gather you from the peoples, and I shall assemble you from the lands where you have been scattered, and I shall give you the land of Yisra’ĕl.” ’

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#112425 - 08/05/10 10:49 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
Glenn and Jenn Offline
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smile We are with you all! It is not easy to make it on your own. We all need a community of believers where we can live together, or else, fail separately. An arm could never survive dissattached from the body...or a foot...or a toe. It doesn't matter what "member" of the body we are, we have to work together. And live in unity as one Body in Messiah. This system is broken, that is why Yahweh gave us Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy. He laid out the Torah, so we as believers can live and work together, LOVING HIM, and then our NEIGHBOR. We have a detailed outline of the community we are envisioning. However, we do not have land or people to come to live on it. But, if we got the call tomorrow, to come and build, and live, we would get up and go. So, when the call is made, count us in as well.

Glenn, Jenn, Abagail and Samuel wink
www.messianicadventure.com


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#112479 - 09/13/10 06:21 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Glenn and Jenn]
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We are in South Mississippi also. The people in our congregation have gardens, can fruit and vegetables to share with each other and two of us have dairy goats for milk and cheese. We all dream of living on a plot of land that we could share. We have 4 acres now but are looking into a larger piece of property, 12 acres, so we would have room for others.

If you haven't made plans for sukkot, we invite you to join us. We are expecting about 20 from 4 different states, there is plenty of room and food for your family.



Tamera
www.mishkanraqkol.com


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#112488 - 09/30/10 05:14 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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I would be very interested to here from anyone who has had success in living in a Torah observant community. With the pros and cons as you saw them.

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#112490 - 10/09/10 05:04 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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I'm glad to have found this post and just wanted to mention there actually is some people in Ohio trying to start a Messianic community and they just so happen to be in an Amish community. Actually moved there because of certain benefits in the area. You can check out the website www.bethshalommessianic.webs.com I'm not trying to advertise just thought I'd share for those who might be interested.

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#112500 - 10/17/10 12:26 AM ... [Re: The Wellers]
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#112580 - 11/20/10 08:37 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
beeman Offline
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Hello Wellers:

My family has been building an outpost for 23 yrs now.
We are Sabbath observers and Yahweh name believers.
We earn our way by being beekeepers. We have wells
and gardens and some fruit trees. E-mail me back at
beeman157@juno.com if you want to know what we have
learned over the years. We also got out of the rat
race. I live in central Louisiana.

John the beeman

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#112686 - 01/15/11 06:15 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: beeman]
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Messianic Jewish communities are needed in Israel. Within my lifetime I hope to see messianic jewish communities spread out all over the land of Israel. That is my dream...to live in Israel....in a Messianic Jewish community. G-d willing!!! I cant find a single messianic kibbutz/community or anything over there. I would love to be involved in starting one...If anyone has any resources, please let me know!! Thanks!

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#112687 - 01/17/11 09:20 PM ... [Re: smg930]
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#112691 - 01/19/11 10:43 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: smg930]
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Hello smg930 this was strange, I read your post yesterday and today I was checking something else out on google and stumbled across a messianic video and thought of your post...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sEBAldf4L0

I thought it was intersting.

Can anyone tell me why Jews seem to call him Yeshua instead of Yahushua it is certainly closer that J-sus

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#112693 - 01/20/11 04:16 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: rainbow]
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Shalom Rainbow,

I've also wondered about the correct name to use for Yeshua. There seems to be several names that can be used & I would suggest that we don't really now the correct spelling.

Each Messianic movement that I've looked at claim that their spelling is the only correct one. This is much the same as all the mainstream "christian religions" claiming that they are the only true "church".

Perhaps the natural Israelites are the best authority on the matter.

H144


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#112718 - 01/28/11 12:15 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
Carrol Offline
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I hear what you are saying. I love the Amish way of living.
I live in East Central Kentucky, and I am alone in my walk with Almighty Yahweh. I have no one I can really talk to except on the websites that believes in the Sacred Name of Almighty Yahweh and Yahshua the Messiah.
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#112737 - 02/05/11 09:55 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: smg930]
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Here is an existing ALL-messianic community living in Israel about 10 miles from Yerusalem. I have also attached a few links to you-tube videos that tell of many messianic congregations in Jerusalem which interview some of the people in this first link. Hope this helps you. Shalom Paul R.

http://www.yad8.com/pdf/yadha8.pdf

Here are a few You-tube videos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sEBAldf4L0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJKVAZpc7dU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcT-SE-OQTs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXlSH9SPGxA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBz7Js_TP-o&feature=channel


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#112740 - 02/06/11 07:01 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Yeshuais4me]
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!! GREAT VIDEOS!!!!!! I HOPE TO MAKE ALIYAH SOON!!!

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#112741 - 02/07/11 08:34 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: smg930]
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Shalom Wellers, the Boussums here, we are searching for the very same thing. In our search we found a community that seemed awesome at 1st but, as time moved on we noticed, they didn't wear tzittzit all the time, only on shabbat and high holy days. We had to stand at attention when the leader was seen or entered our presence, even the children had to stop playing and stand for him. My understanding is we are not to call any man our leader, rabbi, teacher, only One is our Teacher, Rabbi, and Leader and that is our Messiah YAHSHUA, and all the rest of us are equal.
To start a community or join one, you need to know what questions to ask, even the adversary knows the scriptures inside and out.
1st question, are they practicing what they preach? Like wearing the tzit tzit, not having any graven image (ceramic, stone, wood metal any carved shape even of snow or ice). I once knew a woman who actually worshiped her 5 vehicles, she even clamed they talked to her.
I even met a family that are well known for their Torah portions but, their children have dragon toys, T-shirts, all kinds of superhero toys and clothes. But the worst of the toys are avatar, and toy weapons of all kinds, I was sooo surprised.
Is there something wrong with me, or did I read and remember, the snowman, the Hanukkah bush, Hanukkah wreath, the lights some people put on their trees at that time of year, and claim 'Its only to light the drive way.' It's all pagan.
I thought it would be simple. Rite... We all need to put YHVH 1st, have patience, He has the plan for us all. We need to slow down. I almost made some very big mistakes chasing my own heart.
I can't wait to see my neighbor to love my neighbor as myself... I love my neighbor now and I haven't even met.
I can't wait to live free, to worship YHVH at the feasts, to learn to sing the proper songs and dance around the camp fire!!!
Shalom, may YHVH bless you with a amish style Messianic Community Farm! One that keeps the 7th day sabbath, no pagan under or overtones.
Tamara

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#112760 - 02/17/11 08:57 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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I'm new on this forum but have spent most of my teen years and early adulthood ministering to youth, I realize this system is corrupt, as a student of history I'd say the most corrupt this world has seen (or very close) but I find it hard to place myself in a setting where Messiah didn't, personally I'd like to be a hermit or a monk or something, but Messiah walked the streets of corrupt cities, ministered in the midst of a corrupt (albeit religious) system, and am I to vacate to some remote location?


Edited by Ryan Peters (03/23/11 11:16 PM)
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#113040 - 08/10/11 02:16 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Ryan Peters]
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Hello, I just thought that I would add my thoughts about this idea of living together in a commune style community of like minded believers.

I think that there are two kinds of this type of community, the one that believes the world is completely evil and who simply want to live apart from it, and those who believe the world is evil, want to live healthy, righteous lives, being able to raise up their children in an environment sheltered from pagan worldly influences, where they can fellowship together, BUT, who also believe in going out into the world in one way or another, to reach out to this dying world, to evangalize, teach, etc..

I've heard of a few different groups that live this way, including The Twelve Tribes, and I guess my question would then be, after reading the descriptions of what the different posters here envision as the place they'd want to live, is how perfect does this place have to be?

I mean, if I find a group of loving basically torah observant people, but they do this one thing differently than I believe, should I then continue to live, all alone in the paganized satan led world? Is that the better option? Should I wait until the PERFECT community arises? Can there be such a thing? Messianic groups can't seem to agree about anything, even the names of the Father and the Son? I believe their names to be Yahweh and Yahushua. So shall I avoid a group that does not pronounce the oo sound of the Messiah's name? Another believer came in here speaking of a community located in South America, and everything he said sounded so perfect, but I noticed that he mentioned observing the 7th day Sabbath according to the new moon. This is not scriptural. So that group is out, right?

I am just frustrated, and feel all alone in the world and have no Messianic community anywhere near where I live. I just bought a house and live there all by myself, but I'd be willing to leave the house behind, and the bonds of slavery that owning a home, brings with it, seeing as I'll have mortgage payments to make for years to come, then taxes and insurance after that, IF I could find somewhere else to live where I could enjoy fellowship and a safe environment to live, and raise children if I choose to marry and start a family?

So how strict should a person be when the way things seem to be today, their only other choice is to remain living alone in a godless, lawless, pagan loving world lorded over by HaShatan himself?
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#113046 - 08/12/11 03:54 AM ... [Re: haYasharim]
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#113059 - 08/14/11 04:37 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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thats a pretty interesting idea.. i think given the direction this world is headed people will have to choose between the system and or coming out of the system. I spend most of my time thinking of how to go completely off grid a working farm where everyone could contribute is a good idea.. its gonna come down to coming out of this system inevitably anyways....

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#113068 - 08/14/11 09:38 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: RainStorm144VA]
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Originally Posted By: RainStorm144VA
thats a pretty interesting idea.. i think given the direction this world is headed people will have to choose between the system and or coming out of the system. I spend most of my time thinking of how to go completely off grid a working farm where everyone could contribute is a good idea.. its gonna come down to coming out of this system inevitably anyways....


Hi,

You know as Yasharal (Israel) returns to the "non-grid" agrarian lifestyle, as ordained originally by our Creator, we will better understand the simplicity and awesomeness of his design. I believe that this a part of the "being in the world, but not of it"......

Shamay

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#113076 - 08/17/11 04:55 AM ... [Re: RainStorm144VA]
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#113077 - 08/17/11 08:15 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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maybe you need to get away from Tulsa perhaps ...

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#113078 - 08/17/11 12:28 PM ... [Re: RainStorm144VA]
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#113265 - 01/13/12 07:36 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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There IS such a community, in fact, they are popping up everywhere in the US.
I know of one in Missouri, if you are interested in relocating. Please private message me or email me at jonesfullhouse@ymail.com for more information.
This is a great opportunity and we are currently looking for messianic believers who are skilled in building, sewing, livestock, mechanics, any kind of shop work or any skills that will be helpful and fruitful in our community.
Please, if you all are serious about getting back to caring for the earth as YHVH has commanded us, please contact me asap. We need you! We need believers who are eager to help and love one another in a "first century" assembly kind of way.

Shabbat Shalom!

Leah

See the Prairie Creek Settlement website:
http://www.prairiecreeksettlement.com


Edited by JonesFullHouse (01/16/12 11:17 PM)

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#113272 - 01/19/12 10:03 AM ... [Re: JonesFullHouse]
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#113280 - 01/25/12 05:13 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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I've been there and am moving there soon. We believe unity can only be achieved if we love Yeshua and love one another as He loved us.
The only way this is possible is if Yeshua leads us, He is the Head, we are all just brothers and sisters and we are all learning little by little what it means to live out this life of unity.

Thank you for asking and Shalom!

Leah Jones

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#113363 - 03/19/12 07:36 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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I live in the mountain in Hawaii. I just pitch a tent and knock down trees for a garden I have 2 others here and we want to start a messianic communal living to study torah and observe feast days. Email me on Facebook
Aaron Scott bullock

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#113457 - 05/13/12 07:34 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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I have thought the same way as well, would be nice to have bretheren near for fellowship and help.

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#113480 - 06/04/12 10:36 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: JonesFullHouse]
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Shalom in Yahshua,

I just joined this site in the hopes of being led by YHVH through the guidance of the Ruach Hachadesh (Holy Spirit) to a Community or Kibbutz of like minded followers of Yahshua in the US (or elsewhere in the world if that is the Father's will).

I have seen some mention in the post's here about the Prairie Creek settlement in Missouri... I also was in the process of joining the group there & had actually travelled across country 4 times to spent time there (a total of about 3 months total time spent there).

It truly saddens my heart to say that there was some very SERIOUS Sin in the camp there & YHVH directed my wife & I back to California after just 1 day (we never even unloaded our possessions).

I understand that we all have access to forgiveness through the Blood of our Savior (and there may have well been a repentance there, but I don't know if there was any sought).

All I know is what YHVH meant for his Good, was thourghly disrupted at the the direct influence of our Arch Enemy (Hasatan).

I truly believed with all my Heart that this was the direction the Father was leading my wife & I to go in... however, because of the intense transgretion happening (and on going), I had NO peace to stay.

I speak the Truth in Messiah & sincerely am saddened deeply to share this information in this way... but I do feel obligated to share this information with anyone that is seriously thinking about getting involved in Prarie Creek.

Shalom Alechiem

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#113505 - 06/30/12 02:35 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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We are moving to Ecuador soon and desire to start a Yahweh serving community and assembly in the Name of Yahushua, Yahweh willing. I am not an elder or a pastor but do feel led to evangelize the people there. As for the details of how that works out, we will leave them to Yahweh. If it is just a few local families who honor the Name and Keep the Shabbats, that will be a blessing.

Get a passport and pray about joining us. Our plan, Yahweh willing is to leave the first week of the roman 9th month or earlier if the U.S. federal reserve interest rate hits one percent. It is currently at zero point one five. We are able to leave now but are gathering more resources, Yahweh willing. Please pray for us and seek His will for your own family. Get a passport in case He says "GO!".


Edited by evfam (06/30/12 03:39 PM)
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#113510 - 07/01/12 01:13 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: evfam]
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Hi Nick,

May I ask why you are choosing Ecuador?

Shamay

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#113638 - 10/21/12 03:06 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: evfam]
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Hi Nick,

good to hear "reinforcement" is coming to Ecuador, to work in the "hard field". Some 1 1/2 years ago we (my wife and two sons 19/15) settled here, in the southern Andes, about 15miles southern Vilcabamba. We bought a 47ha Finca, beautiful land with some potential for almost all type of farming.
Before we lived for almost 10 years in Namibia, traveled for about 3 years the half mediteranian sea and almost allover South America. Originally we're from southern Germany.
Here in Ecuador I think we found the best conditions to build up a self containing community.
If you're interested in having more contact, please email to us!

Be blessed in YAHWEH and YESHUA his Son!

Ralph

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#114007 - 12/09/12 11:49 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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Hello i come from the www.twelvetribes.org but i only lived there 1 yr at 3 different communities. Today i live amongst the amish and mennonites in central pa north of harrisburg. There are basically farms and state gamelands here not any tourist stuff which i love. I have 6 acres and i have developed it by myself for 2 yrs. here is my site http://directory.ic.org/22661/Central_Pa_Mountain_farm___for_Hip_open_minded_people i say hip and open minded because i do not have indoor plumbing yet. smile I am open to sharing it with another believer in yahshua. Read my first post to know some more about me and my TT experience. http://www.eliyah.com/Forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/114005.html#Post114005

PS: I would be open to selling it or trading up with more people but i can't leave this beautiful area as i have traveled the appalachians and found this to be the cleanest lands and the water is so pure. I also can't move my 90 yr old mom too far from my 6 siblings.

opps this got posted in the wrong thread

OIC someone changed the thread name


Edited by Ish (12/09/12 11:57 AM)
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#114095 - 12/17/12 05:36 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Ephrayiam]
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Shalom! Sorry to read about your terrible experience at Prairie Creek. Their location is only a 3-4 hours' drive for me. I would like to know whether you found an alternative. Tony

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#114097 - 12/17/12 06:46 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: evfam]
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Shalom Nick,

Are you in South America? What's going on?

Tony
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#114128 - 12/19/12 08:13 AM WARNING- Abomination to Yahweh- what is written? [Re: Ish]
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Originally Posted By: Ish
Hello i come from the (not accepting).org but i only lived there 1 yr at 3 different communities. Today i live amongst the (other groups not related) in central pa north of harrisburg.........



here's a couple posted references to this abomination.

(In their own words)(i.e. it's their own posts or pages on the public internet sites they advertise on or whatever.)

Posts - Growfood.org
www.growfood.org/posts/all - Cached - Similar
VeteranMntnFarm / centralpafarm wrote on on 12 Dec 2012. The barn ...... I am
legally female, but presenting as male. ... Pennelope88@aol.com for full Resume
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VeteranMntnFarm / centralpafarm's Posts | Growfood.org
www.growfood.org/posts/20524 - Cached
I am legally female, but presenting as male. ..... Address: CentralPaFarm AT aol
DOT com Web Address: http://directory.ic.org/22661/Central_Pa_Mountain_farm ...
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Edited by yeshuaslave (12/19/12 08:15 AM)
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#114131 - 12/19/12 12:17 PM Re: WARNING- Abomination to Yahweh- what is written? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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Originally Posted By: yeshuaslave
Originally Posted By: Ish
Hello i come from the (not accepting).org but i only lived there 1 yr at 3 different communities. Today i live amongst the (other groups not related) in central pa north of harrisburg.........



here's a couple posted references to this abomination.

(In their own words)(i.e. it's their own posts or pages on the public internet sites they advertise on or whatever.)

Posts - Growfood.org
www.growfood.org/posts/all - Cached - Similar
VeteranMntnFarm / centralpafarm wrote on on 12 Dec 2012. The barn ...... I am
legally female, but presenting as male. ... Pennelope88@aol.com for full Resume
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VeteranMntnFarm / centralpafarm's Posts | Growfood.org
www.growfood.org/posts/20524 - Cached
I am legally female, but presenting as male. ..... Address: CentralPaFarm AT aol
DOT com Web Address: http://directory.ic.org/22661/Central_Pa_Mountain_farm ...
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Thank you yeshuaslave for the info!
Sometimes I have a bad taste - as it happened in this case - not knowing why
Now I know why I had it.


Edited by Jauhuchanam (12/19/12 12:17 PM)
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#114143 - 12/20/12 08:51 AM Re: WARNING- Abomination to Yahweh- what is written? [Re: Jauhuchanam]
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we need to all, in yeshua, be daily testing each other and all things,
each other, with a positive expectation and hope, in the messiah, for truth and life and protection from becoming tricked in any way - YES!
and
all things,
because all things in the world are wicked, except for
who and what is sanctified, set apart, by abba in yeshua the messiah who came in the flesh for our sakes in him! YES!
...
noting, realizing, that all are confined under sin,
and that all may turn to abba in yeshua to receive life, ABBA WILLING,
if they turn to him,
i acknowledge that any person may be given a chance
to repent, to turn to abba and do what is right,
even to be immersed in yeshua for newness of life,
as
it looks like and as would be expected this one was
given a chance to and was encouraged to repent in
many times and ways,
especially at the community(ies) they visited but didn't stay at.
...
At first, as I have contacted many others in the past,
I actually contacted that thing without knowing about it
(some people may think this is a hard judgmental way to say it, but they should first know that 'it' would willingly abuse a person if it gets them in their power to, - any age person - so i believe others who care should be warned asap...(( until it actually breaks a law or actually hurts or abuses someone, the authorities (probably)can do nothing legally. ))

and,from posts and links and such on other forums/sites/contact places, A LOT of people from all over the country/world have UNWITTINGLY (hopefully for their sake) also contacted it seeking more info or to visit/stay/whatever.

IT IS WRITTEN, have nothing to do with the deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. (this is putting it mildly!)

(and still with the hope, realized or not, for the saving of their soul;
as well as (more so?) protecting our young believers and older persons)

Thank you yeshuaslave for the info!
Sometimes I have a bad taste - as it happened in this case - not knowing why
Now I know why I had it.
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#114269 - 12/29/12 12:03 PM YHWH-fearing, Torah-observant community
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Greetings in the name of Yahshua - I THOUGHT I had registered here before but if I did, I cannot find my original log in info - so, HELLO!

Does (or has) anyone here live(d) on a Yah-fearing community?
The post down below kind of went on a tangent so I thought I'd start another thread.

I'd be interested in experiences, advice, ect.

I have joined with a group of other Saints and we are starting a community in the Ozarks. We HAVE started it and things are difficult but going fine. I would be interested in anything experienced folks here have to contribute to the discussion - we always have more to learn and things we don't know we don't know smile

Thanks, and Yah Bless.
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#114281 - 12/31/12 01:08 AM Re: YHWH-fearing, Torah-observant community [Re: Pastor Joe Fox]
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Communes seem to go sour fast. It seems better for people to live closely and have common goals. Everybody could barter their skills...mechanic, carpenter, craftsman, sewer, gardener, etc. One family could be great at gardening and another great at raising animals. Another with bees and another with sewing. Everyone would be close enough to barter and fellowship.

Just my ideas.

ps- We want to homestead a little of everything. We have 10 chickens and are gathering containers for gardening/storage.
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#114284 - 12/31/12 12:56 PM Re: YHWH-fearing, Torah-observant community [Re: DudleyFamily]
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wow, so many points that are pertinent....
..
yhwh-fearing, as yhwh means it. as a little 3 year old boy trusts his daddy all the time, and always does what he says to do. (i know most kids do not do what their parents tell them to do. mine did until they grew up and left(and may still)).
I always obeyed my parents. always. all my life, until they died, whatever they asked me to do, or told me to do, i did, even when i was 30 years old(a looong time ago)).
when a baby from conception thru birth thru the first years
is taught by example and experience with Yahweh living with the family in the home and everywhere,
then the baby knows and does what is right, with or without a written torah to go by(even before they can read , and even if they cannot read))
....
so, if , like a 3 year old boy trusting his daddy, you/we/he/she/ they
can trust all to daddy,
then you/we/he/she/they can relent/submit/obey/willingly and joyfully
laying down LIFE for others, instead of standing up for mistaken and so-called 'rights'........
....
with no greed, no idols, no idolatry, no selfishness.....
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LIVING clean and alive and true and pure and in yahweh's presence every day....
....
with or without 'book knowledge', nothing cutting off fellowship , personal and intimate like adam and eve had, so too believers with yahweh. (look up the more detailed description online, yahweh willing... it is intensely personal).

....
yahweh provides / indeed has provided everything pertaining to life. he doesn't need or seek any skills of the flesh or property there-of (WHAT DOESn'T HE OWN ALREADY ????)
....
he provides all.
....
trust him faithfullly. do all he tells you personally(ALWAYS IN LINE WITH ALL OF HIS WORD, period.) HE IS ALIVE!!!! YES!! NOW , TODAY, YAHWEH IS ALIVE AND SPEAKING FLUENTLY WITH HIS CHILDREN.
....
simple, and very rare.(because people are corrupt, and selfish)
....
moses learned to be content in the hills with the flocks as a sheep herder, DESPISED by the ROYALTY he had been raised among.
....
he chose to SUFFER with yahweh's people instead of enjoying the luxuries of the world he could ? have had.(as a sinner)
....
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....
....
....
....
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2 or more 3 year olds playing / living together, trained simply by example is all that is true and right,
have no thought nor trouble nor strife sharing everything immediately, no hesitation, without even thinking of not sharing.
THAT is the attitude of the messiah .... ....
(spontaneous in those born again, out of sheer joy for the cost of his life and blood shed in their place. not thought our nor religious(yahweh hates religion))....
....
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grace, mercy, truth, joy, and abounding generous LIFE to all those who live in yahshua the messiah, serving abba in total trust and faithfulness. no matter what their circumstances are today.
....
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#114358 - 01/05/13 03:13 AM Re: YHWH-fearing, Torah-observant community [Re: Ephrayiam]
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Yeshua slave,

I didnt quite understand your points pertaining to communing together. What are your ideas or thoughts on people gathering and perhaps having leaders where you have to give "your" property over to them for the greater "good" of the community? (Your as in what Yahweh has let you have/use for the short time being here.)
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#114374 - 01/05/13 05:01 PM Re: YHWH-fearing, Torah-observant community [Re: DudleyFamily]
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the exact same as in acts, abba willing. in yahshua totally.
in
different places and times, there will be some things not similar,
but the believers living in yahshua, immersed in him,
will naturally and spontaneously share what is needed, first with
each other, then with others, as abba leads and guides and permits them.
each will work as abba directs, also simply, with their hands(as it is written), depending on no one(unless abba directs like when he used egypt to feed his people instead of manna and instead of or because there's no land to work or not other work to earn what is needed.-- i.e. all in work and any other, all dependent on abba, working with all heart and soul and strength(diligently , as unto yahweh himself)
well,
that's a bit more complicated than i wanted to get already....
like
corrie ten boom in and after the nazi prisons showed and said - hold everything yahweh gives you in an open hand, loosely , and let it go where he wants, whether to use today, or to another.
don't let the world get its claws in you. it is very hard to live already as it is.
....
...
just as in acts , the people did not require and were not required to sell their houses or to give all the proceeds to the apostles. they sold what they wanted to, and gave freely what they wanted to.
ananias and saphira were not killed for not giving all, but for lying about it. - NEVER LIE TO EACH OTHER. YAHWEH WILL NOT OVERLOOK IT.
..
..
keith green, watchman nee, and very few others , have ever tried let alone succeeded to live as yahweh says to.
remember, noah, lot, and their families too.
it won't be easy this year, in this world,
but
be of good cheer, Yahshua has overcome this world.
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#114375 - 01/06/13 02:17 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: smg930]
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I have been looking to live in a place like this! There is no other place i would want to live. I am a child that was raied Roman catholic, then nondenominational for a short time. I have seen the truth about the Torah/Law/Sabbath etc. My family has not. in about three yrs i will be an adult so I can try and live in a place like this. I go to public school and have seen how distrbing it can be and want to homeschool my children. I have tried to teach and show my family scriptures but they take me as a joke and i feel so alone. I know being a Messianic Jew is hard if you have pressures of a corrupt world, school sytem, etc. I want so much to be in a community where everyone agrees on how to live life. I realize i am still yong( 10th grade) but i have found this way of living and fallen in lov with it and need support from fellow beleivers. Again my goal is to life and raise a family in a torah observant messianic community smile


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#114534 - 01/26/13 01:15 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Messianic4ever]
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there is an obedient community in some places.
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#114536 - 01/26/13 01:49 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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"Twelve Tribes" might have already been mentioned here in this thread...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tribes_communities

I suspect they are not fully aware of their sectarian bent, but they began during my own youth (early '70s) and I have suggested them to others during more recent days.

http://www.twelvetribes.com/


Edited by leejosepho (01/26/13 01:50 PM)
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#114543 - 01/27/13 09:48 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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Originally Posted By: yeshuaslave
there is an obedient community in some places. ..


I wish I could see one, let alone find it.
Sorry, that is what I doubt!!!

To TOP it up: every time I ask - everyone keeps quiet or runs hiding - is my experience.

Do they smell that I know its a trap? Or is it ONLY ME who seems wrong???
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#114656 - 02/27/13 06:21 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Jauhuchanam]
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Originally Posted By: Jauhuchanam
Originally Posted By: yeshuaslave
there is an obedient community in some places. ..


I wish I could see one, let alone find it.(MY HOME,YOUR HOME)
Sorry, that is what I doubt!!!(YOU DOUBT YOUR HOME TOO? NOT?)

To TOP it up: every time I ask - everyone keeps quiet or runs hiding - is my experience.(YES, the nazarene communities, the amish and mennonites, etc , are not the body, but act like it) (beware nazarene types, if they are like around here, they are adamantly against the gospel of good news in Yahuahua)
(the mennonite and amish are safe to visit however, as a resting place, to work for a season/decades?)

Do they smell that I know its a trap? Or is it ONLY ME who seems wrong???(ABBA KNOWS)
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#114810 - 04/15/13 04:39 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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I wonder why all theses Messianic communes end up dysfunctional? Shouldn't it be the other way around when we are away from the snares of pagan society?
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#114811 - 04/15/13 07:59 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Yah's handmaiden]
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Originally Posted By: Yah's handmaiden
I wonder why all theses Messianic communes end up dysfunctional? Shouldn't it be the other way around when we are away from the snares of pagan society?


There are several reasons any could end up dysfunctional.
1. They are not fully Torah Observant.
2. They refuse to connect to the one body of Messiah.
3. They lack a system to address grievances.
4. They do not believe or follow every word of Messiah.
5. A lack of commitment by members.
6. A poorly defined membership or doctrine.
7. A lack of democracy or authority.
8. Horrible food.

There are many more possible factors, but most communes are able to quickly learn and adapt when challenges arise and so they survive longer than most private families do (7 years). Perhaps some confuse being physically distant from pagan society as being the same as being spiritually distant from pagan society. In reality the location has no effect on this as some of the most heinous lifestyles are more manifest in rural environments. The master prayed not that we be taken out of the world physically but that we be kept from the omnipresent wickedness within it. And perhaps that false attribution becomes apparent too late with those betting that a more agrarian lifestyle is a more righteous one. Disillusionment will weaken the pillars of any social construct.


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#114835 - 04/20/13 07:30 PM Re: YHWH-fearing, Torah-observant community [Re: DudleyFamily]
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Originally Posted By: DudleyFamily
Yeshua slave,

I didnt quite understand your points pertaining to communing together. What are your ideas or thoughts on people gathering and perhaps having leaders where you have to give "your" property over to them for the greater "good" of the community? (Your as in what Yahweh has let you have/use for the short time being here.)


see rather, in old and new testament (as Father opens eyes),
what is HIS WAY to live now, today,
as then you will understand (as He grants understanding) what
is the duty or life or gift or way to gather and live.

it is simple, not complicated. count nothing as your own.

not even your own life. count others as 'better' than yourself(in terms of make sure their needs are met before your
own family even, amongst believers)(then treat outsiders as Yhwh gives ability, wisdom, and understanding- it is simple, but not subject to a set of rules, rather to Yeshua Himself).

when believers live simply as Yeshua said to, seeking Yhwh first,
then there is very truthfully and remarkably no need unmet.
(yet there will still be persecution, execution/ martyrs for the faith- radiant literally with the life of Yhwh even as we/they die, like stephen and moses were RADIANT)

when believers live simply as Yeshua said to, they do not defend themselves. they will not lift a weapon of any kind
against another human being. they do not ever attempt divorce.
they refuse to live in sin, rather suffering great pain and loss to live righteously in Yhwh's presence.

so many 'things', yet simple, and evident in very few places
on earth, just as in the days of noah, sodom, and gomorrah.

be becoming as a little boy trusting his daddy, and perhaps he
will grant you gracious abundant abounding life and joy and righteousness and peace, as well as eternal rewards(not sought).

just get at all cost truth. seek Yhwh at the cost of everything. then He takes care of everything, exactly as it is written. man is literally no help in removing the veil (except
that the prayers of the faithful are always heard by ABBA, and
ABBA is the one and only one who can and may remove the veil
that is over everyone's mind/eyes)
for instance - all of the apostle's preaching the gospel are
no more effective than the prayers of stephen were, when he
prayed as the crucified messiah did "father, forgive them" from a pure heart and right spirit.

let all that has as it's source the flesh and world be removed.
let only that which is from ABBA remain. This is His will and this is His doing.
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#114837 - 04/21/13 03:18 AM Re: YHWH-fearing, Torah-observant community [Re: yeshuaslave]
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Amein!
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#114838 - 04/21/13 12:51 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Yah's handmaiden]
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Originally Posted By: Yah's handmaiden
I wonder why all theses Messianic communes end up dysfunctional? Shouldn't it be the other way around when we are away from the snares of pagan society?

A snare is laid in one's own path, and I do not believe "pagan society" is our adversary. But for those of us coming out of it while still having to live within it, the challenges can be quite daunting.

Consider the Amish. They have had their own communities for centuries, but now they have outgrown them (or their own communities can no longer contain and sustain them) to a point where they must venture out for work in order to have what they need to purchase foods, medical attention, pay taxes and so on...and they are even being required to have telephones strategically located within their communities for making 911 calls whenever necessary. Nevertheless, they do still manage to retain their difference or "separation"...and how do they do that?

Some do it out of habit since they know nothing else, but I am sure some still do what they do because they believe it right and good for the best of all.

With people coming from varieties of backgrounds, I believe the challenges of "Messianic communities" are much greater. Where folks like the Amish have never had secular or commercial ambitions or any of the "luxuries" we tend to view as necessities, we know nothing of believing it a privilege to "eat by the sweat of one's brow" rather than stopping by the grocery store or deli on the way home from "work" to spend the evening in front of a football game.

For perspective here, and just as an illustration: Consider what any one of us might say if it were suggested we go join an Amish community. They would accept us, but I suspect most of us would say the requirement to abandon life as we would like to live it would just be too great.
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#114839 - 04/21/13 02:04 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: leejosepho]
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Originally Posted By: leejosepho
... ... ... They would accept us, but I suspect most of us would say the requirement to abandon life as we would like to live it would just be too great.


Originally Posted By: yeshuaslave
there is an obedient community in some places.
..


actually, they may not accept us. perhaps for or after several years. perhaps not. (and, as some who used to be in
such a community, some who grew up in one, have said - you might find that they care more about what their fellow members think than about what Yhwh thinks. HEY, Paul wrote that many already had stopped caring about Yhwh's Way and were seeking
after their own concerns instead, remember ? ) (i.e. - it is written that it is "A NARROW WAY" .. . start realizing how narrow it really is, Yhwh permitting).....

yes, most will not abandon the luxuries of life - the cost is
simply too great. thus they do not enter heaven. (it's not like(as if) Jesus said "well, if you don't really feel like it ... ..."
)

the obedient community in some places,
is simply those who have already [completely]abandoned their own life for His as He directs, as it is written.

He said it simply, so there is no misunderstanding.

and when those following Him left Him because what He said was
too hard to bear, He did not soften His words, no.
He did not 'follow after them' as if to bring them back, no.
He let them go their own way.
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#114840 - 04/21/13 02:31 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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Originally Posted By: yeshuaslave
actually, they may not accept us. perhaps for or after several years. perhaps not. (and, as some who used to be in
such a community, some who grew up in one, have said - you might find that they care more about what their fellow members think than about what Yhwh thinks.

That has nothing to do with what we are talking about, and I am growing weary of your judging or blaming other people for *any* of our troubles. Ego, fear, pride and/or ignorance trouble all of us, and those must be overcome in each of us if we are to live as Yah knows best and readily provides for the willing.
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#114841 - 04/22/13 04:59 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: leejosepho]
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I just think of how a perfect being, Yahushua, suffered accusations, betrayals, 'entertaining' the nit-picking of the Pharisees and his doubting and thick-headed disciples, becoming a lowly servant, taking beatings and nails to his hands and feet and dying a painful, painful death for the wicked person guilty of greed, sexual immorality, slander, deceit, murder, pride, hypocrisy and all manner of reviling against him. Yet he did not revile back. I don't recall him complaining about these people either, only rebuking them directly by Word of Yahweh.

It takes me only to remember my own sins which I was wallowing in like a pig as an unbeliever, and even an early believer, and even recently and even now (as I learn from the Word and from brother EliYah's teachings - I've repented about 5 times just today). "Search me, O Yah, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting." Psalm 139:24 And this helps me to have empathy, compassion and love for the unbeliever and the sinning believer. "Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you." How about we PRAY for Obama to come to repentance before Yahweh? How about we pray for the people of America and the world to wake up? I know some people whom I was guilty of thinking "this person doesn't have the motivation, resilience or mental capacity to enter the narrow gate...so why bother?" That thought is wicked! "Is My hand so short that it cannot ransom? Or have I no power to deliver?" Isaiah 50:2

Any righteousness I have is an awe-some gift from Yahweh, it is not of myself. Yes, I CHOSE to serve Him, to learn more about Him, to love the Truth, but that is all I did, and this I did for my own profit! My righteousness is but filthy rags compared to Yahushua... The harvest is plentiful and workers are few and I (very recently, largely also thanks to yeshuaslave) learned not to mull on the works of the enemy but rather to keep my eyes on the Light, and if it exposes darkness, to rebuke that darkness with all meekness and gentleness, lest I too be tempted.

A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. Prov 15:1

Yahweh bless!
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#114842 - 04/22/13 06:18 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Yah's handmaiden]
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Any righteousness I have is an awe-some gift from Yahweh, it is not of myself. Yes, I CHOSE to serve Him, to learn more about Him, to love the Truth, but that is all I did, and this I did for my own profit!

There is where various ones of us coming from different backgrounds and such can make certain things challenging among us as we come together. I grew up in religion while believing our particular denomination had begun with the "smart ones" or whatever who had wisely and "humbly"? accepted being excommunicated (for singing in harmony and wanting to evangelize), then looked down my nose a bit at true "sinners" who later came along. One man in particular still comes to mind. He was truly hurting and looking for a new way, but we only knew how to try to help him appear to be as righteous as we believed ourselves to be. Years later, however, and after coming to terms with the filthiness of my own rags, it was a blessing to see at least one pastor in that assembly for a while who knew how to meet people at their points of need.

Brokenness is brokenness, and we all need to experience and share it.


Edited by leejosepho (04/22/13 06:19 AM)
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#114845 - 04/22/13 05:50 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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.....
every one is broken(dead, really),and it is pertinent... (only believers, only the elect, can realize it and have life too -- multitudes
of people may or may not realize, and never benefit because
they refuse to follow Jesus / Yeshua).... (because He doesn't
allow bringing baggage/worldly goods/demonic doctrines/ etc)...
"FULLY" follow Yhwh, or not at all. He said it is all or nothing, many many times.
The 'strictness' is required here and elsewhere, for anyone
seeking HIS LIFE. But for anyone just seeking to 'be good'
or to 'enter/find heaven'
(as if they could)
no worries, No way. They / we / can have Yhwh's Way, or
any other way, but never both. Waiting 'till it's 'comfortable enough' to do, or 'the right time', is meaningless, just an excuse of the flesh. And often if not always 'fatal'.
LIFE is not obtainable from any One Else, Only ABBA, by
the price of preciousness, by the blood of Yeshua. giving up
and renouncing all else.

* book reference deleted by Moderator *


Edited by RichardLovesYHWH (04/27/13 10:00 PM)
Edit Reason: Removing Book Reference
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#114846 - 04/22/13 06:23 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: yeshuaslave]
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Originally Posted By: yeshuaslave
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every one is broken(dead, really)...

Sure, but I was speaking of brokenness in a different sense. I had given life my very best shot for just as long as I could stand doing so, then I dropped face-down in the mud and looked up only just enough to breathe while admitting complete defeat and asking, "What must I do to live? Does anyone know, and will anyone teach me?"

My ego had been smashed, my pride had been crucified, and I willingly admitted my complete ignorance in fear of anything still worse.

My struggle today? To not appear proud of my circumstantially- and pain-driven humility...and I work against that by readily crawling right back down there beside the next human being I find in need and crying out as I had.

My "nose dives" at altars in my past had been honest ones, but the answers I received this last time around were much different. Rather than yet another extrapolation of "I/You can do all things through...", I was told to let Him do for me what I could not...and He has and still does.


Edited by leejosepho (04/22/13 06:46 PM)
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#115063 - 06/23/13 02:57 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: Ryan Peters]
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Amen Ryan, amen. We can't very well expect others to know The Gospel if no one goes out to preach it.
Romans 10:13-for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”14- How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15- And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”


**and I love the quote you put at the end as it is very true**
"Preach all the time and speak when necessary".

Blessings ! :-)

Originally Posted By: Ryan Peters
I'm new on this forum but have spent most of my teen years and early adulthood ministering to youth, I realize this system is corrupt, as a student of history I'd say the most corrupt this world has seen (or very close) but I find it hard to place myself in a setting where Messiah didn't, personally I'd like to be a hermit or a monk or something, but Messiah walked the streets of corrupt cities, ministered in the midst of a corrupt (albeit religious) system, and am I to vacate to some remote location?
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#115230 - 09/22/13 10:58 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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Greetings in the wonderful name of Yahshua Messiah,

We are Psalm 133 Ministries based out of Arizona and we are planning on purchasing some land in rural Northern Arizona ( about 1 hour from Flagstaff )with a target date of Spring/Summer 2015 if not sooner. This will be an off-grid self-sustaining community of Hebrew Roots / Sacred Name believers.

Our full profile can be viewed at http://directory.ic.org/24670/Psalm_133_Hebrew_Roots_Sacred_Name_Community

We also have a YouTube page at www.youtube.com/user/psalm133ministries

We are planning to purchase a couple of acres of land (to start) in Northern Arizona and live off the grid. At the time of this writing the land can be purchased for a mere $10,000. The handwriting is on the wall and economic collapse is at hand. The new world order globalist beast system is rearing it's ugly head. The saints of the Most High Yah need to come together in love and unity in this final hour. Let us become ONE as the Father and Son are one brothers and sisters. Let us free ourselves from the bondage of debt and mortgage. Let us free ourselves from the bondage of high utility bills. In addition, how can we truly love one another by seeing each other at best only one time per week on the Shabbat? What kind of kingdom witness is that? Not a good one !!! We are supposed to be a family saints. The body of Messiah is so disjointed and disconnected today and it need not be so. Let us flee this Roman Nicolaitan system of worship and return to the Acts 2 and 4 biblical model of worship and love. Communal living. Again all the information on our planned community can be found on the Fellowship for Intentional Community Website at directory.ic.org . We are listed under Psalm 133 Hebrew Roots Sacred Name Community.

First we will secure some land. Next we will build our homes on the land. Some will bring their own trailers, RV's, tents and motorhomes onto the land to start. Some will build log cabins, some will purchase "tiny homes" on wheels and transport them onto the land. Water towers will be built, in time wells will be dug, we will start off with propane and gas generators to start with a goal of living off solar power. Ultimately our only regular monthly bills will be cell phone and insurance for our vehicles, and property tax ( well, I suppose that is a yearly expense. The property tax is low in Northern Arizona ). We will build a community garden and farm of sorts in hopes of ultimately being able to produce over 50% of our own organic food but until then we will purchase our food from an organic grocery store in Flagstaff or from farmers markets.

It is time to stop arguing over the "controversial" matters of the faith. You know what they are .... biblical calendar matters, exact pronunciation of the name, women's head covering or lack thereof, tassels or lack thereof, and so forth. The globalist beast system is rapidly sinking it's teeth into all facets of society and the handwriting is on the wall for the United States. We can keep arguing over minor points of the faith or we can be patient with one another as we grow and come together as a family in rural America. We have a chance to put on display "as a witness to the world" how Yahweh's kingdom will operate in the future. We have a chance to show the world that our heavenly Father loves us greatly and love is the under-girding of the Most High's Torah law.

All believers willing to put aside doctrinal disputes over "vague", "grey" or controversial matters of the faith are welcome to come on board with us and help us build this Hebrew roots sacred name community. Obviously open sin will NOT be permitted in the camp. A spirit of lawlessness ( torahlessness ) will not be welcome either. If there is no law then what you are saying is that there is no love. Yahshua will be the chief cornerstone and have the chief seat in our community next to the Father of course. All scripture is inspired of Yah including the New Covenant scriptures. We will strive to live by every word of Yahweh from Genesis to Revelation in a spirit of love and self-sacrifice.

Everyone will maintain his or her own checking, savings, and other financial accounts. We don't plan to have a common purse unless compelled to in the case of a great divergence between rich and poor in the camp. We will need to function as a family unit just like our natural families function. All needs must be met. Each brother and sister will be asked to take care of a financial need in the community. Some will be assigned the food expense, others the cost of propane/gas, others might be assigned the cost of caring for the animals, etc .... Some of the saints will work in Flagstaff Arizona ( about an hour away ) to help bring income into the community. We hope to keep this to a minimum however. Some will work full-time on the community especially those that are retired, have pensions, etc ... and have no need to bring in an outside income. Bottom line > there can be NO poor in our community on the one hand and rich on the other. While we will each maintain our own accounts, everyone is expected to contribute to the needs of the family as a whole, whatever they are. If a root of selfishness is evident in the community, we will not hesitate to go to a common purse scenario for the community. It is only a matter of time before the United States dollar collapses anyway, so it is high time we STOP putting our trust in a piece of paper money which is NOT backed by anything anyway. Very soon all our money will be useless. In the future men and women will even be throwing their gold into the streets. It will be very easy for any one of us to take the mark of the beast if we are not careful. Let us not be caught unawares saints !!! Lets prepare now for the future as best we can, as good stewards over what Yahweh has given us. It is not natural to be living cooped up in these population centers ( the heart of Babylon ) living on top of one another in these highly toxic and polluted metropolitan areas. We are so distracted and under high stress in these big cities are we not? Satan wants us distracted so lets return to living simple and come out of Babylon and bondage. Fully trusting in Yahweh to provide. When the economic hammer falls on the United States, it will be the big cities that take the brunt of the collapse hardest. People will not know what to do. As good stewards, let us be like the Proverbs ant who prepares ahead of time for a rainy day. Let us labor with our hands and come out of Babylonian bondage. We are all to one extent or another guilty of making the corporations rich, the bankers rich, Walmart rich, etc ... This is all part of Satan's system to bring us into bondage.

As a group, there will be opportunities to witness to the surrounding area. We hope to learn Hebrew Dance, Circle dancing etc ... and hope to have some talented musicians among us so that we can praise the Most High in public as a witness to the world. We want to display the kingdom principles of Yahweh to the world.

We will have daily gatherings ( perhaps about 1 hour in the evening ) where we come together as a family unit to worship the most high in psalms, hymns, dance, testimony, prayer and a short teaching from a "servant" leader. No more Nicolaitan system or Balaam arrangement. No priests for hire. No ONE LEADER exerting power and harsh exacting burdens over the saints. No holier than thou attitude. We will all be ONE. We will sit or stand in a circle and minister to one another as we worship and praise the Most High Yah. Everybody will contribute in one way or another to our worship gatherings. Longer length gatherings will occur on the Shabbat and annual Sabbaths. We are not opposed to government in the community, but the traditional Roman system of ONE individual having final say in all affairs will not take place here. At most, we will have a council of servant leaders ( a subgroup of the community who prove themselves to be self-sacrificing humble servants )direct the day-to-day affairs of the community.

Any children brought onto the community should be home schooled. Arizona is a home school friendly state. Just as an aside, there is a slight possibility we could opt for purchasing land in Montana or in the Ozarks of Missouri as well depending on the input from the servant leaders who commit to this work of Yahweh. These are all home school friendly states. Arizona and Montana especially have state governments that are NOT intrusive. They have NOT become police states like many parts of America. State regulations for running our community, building our community, etc ... are minimal in these states. We will be left alone to worship our Yah in peace, at least for the short-term. We all know that persecution and martyrdom of the saints will ultimately come at some point in the future and so at the end of the day we must put full trust in the Most High to take care of us and provide direction.

Please feel free to email questions to psalm133ministries@gmail.com (psalm133ministriesatgmaildotcom). Servant leaders who rise up between now and 2015 who are willing to contribute labor, financial resources, pick-up trucks, construction equipment and/or other self-sacrificing contributions to the establishment of the community will come together to purchase the land in early 2015 if not sooner. Servant leaders will need to show themselves as humble, self-sacrificing and outgoing. No halfhearted efforts here. Let us come out of the HEART OF BABYLON ( the population centers ) of America and return to working with our hands in an agricultural setting. After all, when the kingdom comes down from heaven, a return to an agricultural lifestyle will be the rule of the millennium. This is a chance to model the kingdom of Yahweh to the world saints !!!

May Yahweh Bless !!!


Edited by ArizonaDave (09/22/13 11:44 PM)

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#115231 - 09/28/13 11:56 AM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: ArizonaDave]
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Originally Posted By: ArizonaDave
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May Yahweh Bless !!!



... what about t.lm.d.sts ? or those who trust man's history?
or those who trust a foreign religion ?
... are they to be accepted? tolerated ?
(in the community of ekklesia)
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#115344 - 02/23/14 07:14 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: ArizonaDave]
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Registered: 12/26/13
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Hi everyone,

I am glad that someone posted this topic for discussion.

I am a newcomer to this site and I am very interested in finding and relocating, so I can live within or close to an (off the grid type of situation) that consist of an Amish type of Messianic or Nazarene or Natzarim (whether the correct terminology is) Community/commune/or farm that is located in a farming community or in a rural setting, and is a Torah observant based community, keeps Biblical kosher, and that refers to the Creator/Messiah by His Sacred Names. YHWH and Yahushua. I have been looking for this type of situation for a while now and there doesn't appear to be such a community that exist based on the above description in this paragraph. I am looking to join a community that either already exist or is in the process of being formed in existence.

I am also a professional nanny, that is that looking for a position with a family that has the same faith as me. I personally would like to be a nanny for a family, within this type of community, if that is even possible to find. I am interested in learning how to farm, garden and grow my own organic foods and herbs. I am also seeking fellowship with like minded folks and would like to be able to live a Torah based life as a believer in Yahushua with like minded folks, where we look out for one another, help one another and witness to the non-believing communities around us as well.

I am currently in Ohio, alone in my walk in my faith as I am not able to find like minded folks to fellowship with (unless I want to call my friend who lives in N.C.), nor do I have anyone to celebrate the Biblical feasts with, I am not attending any local congregations or churches (as I used to) because, I found the people aren't of like mind, (especially, after I did some awaking to things and discovery of things), they are not interested in the Truth, (and it makes it hard for me to relate to the people there) the love is cold, the fellowship is shallow, the worship and dancing was very dry, they would rather follow man made traditions, rabbinic traditions and or celebrate pagan festivals. I found or discovered some disturbing things a long the way, or found too many things that just seem wrong, where I felt very convicted by YHWH that, I need to leave this particular congregation, after being a part of it for 13 years. Of course my wake up period started in 2007, and I left the congregation in Nov of 2008. What I mean by wake up period is, that I started spending more time in the Scriptures in 2007, (as that was a weakness for me and sometimes still is), and I started searching things out, and being alerted to many things, that I just didn't think about before.

As a result of my spending more time in the Scriptures, I desired to be more Torah observant, as I was a more laid back about it, beforehand. For example> I really wasn't celebrating or observing the Sabbath the way it should be celebrated or observed. I was doing things on the Sabbath that I felt convicted that I should stop doing, until after the Sabbath was over, like doing business, spending money, getting my hair done, etc. It not just about requesting that day off from work, and of course, I was just doing what I wanted for myself, besides attend services at the congregation. I knew what I was doing wasn't right after I started spending more time in the Scriptures. So, I really learned a lot from my readings, started making changes and I am taking YHWH's Word and His commandments more seriously, and I want to grow closer to Him.

When I found this site and this topic, in this discussion forum, I was really excited that others were interested in this community type of living, besides myself.
Ever since I left the congregation, I have been on my own. I find it isn't easy to live a Torah based life on my own, especially because, I don't even know how to celebrate the Biblical feasts properly, especially since I am on my own and I trying to distant myself from rabbinic traditions. I also find it hard to work at my job, (employment wise) in an environment, where everyone around me are either non-believers or live life like the mainstream church goers around them. I constantly have to come face to face with pagan customs, everyone I go, and whether or not it is at the work place, or where I live (based on my roommates practices) and it isn't my choice, either to have to deal with this pagan stuff. I look forward to Yahushua's return.

If any one knows of such a community that I can relocate to, or if there are any openings there for me, and or if there is also a need for a nanny, then please let me know. I am a single woman, never been married, and I don't have any children. I would either need to rent a room with a roommate with other single women, or rent a room from a married couple or married coupled with a family or I would need a live-in position with a family. Thank you.

I hope and look forward to getting to know some of you members here and some other believers as well, even from a distance too. smile

Thank you for reading.
Riv

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#115346 - 02/23/14 07:58 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: ArizonaDave]
Riv Offline
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Registered: 12/26/13
Posts: 3
Hi ArizonaDave and to whom this may concern, concerning the ministry of Psalm 133 Ministries,

I tried to send you an email at >(psalm133ministries@gmail.com) that you posted on this forum, and I received an email delivery failure. I don't know how else to get in touch with you.

I tried to view your profile on the link that you provided right here….
Our full profile can be viewed at http://directory.ic.org/24670/Psalm_133_Hebrew_Roots_Sacred_Name_Community
But when I click on it, there is an empty page or there isn't such information about you, that is posted, that I can view.  Is there another link, I can visit to see your full profile?

Are you still trying to build a community, that you had mentioned on this forum?  I would like to know more about it as I would love to live in such a community of like mind folks where we can live our faith out together in a Torah based community.  Would you please get in touch in with me, and let me know about the progress and development of building such a community of believers living together and if there is anymore room for newcomers (such as myself) that can join in and live within your community?   I am a single woman, that has never been married and I don't have any children.

Thank you so much for your time, and I hope you are able to see this message.

I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,
Riv

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#115410 - 12/13/14 02:14 PM Re: Amish style messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
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i am interested. i have visited the twelve tribes.org communities and find it not to be what i am seeking. i desire to live on a farm that is torah observant and share meals and growing food together with outreach to the local communities / anyone know of any ?

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