Posted by Jahhiyoka on June 17, 1998 at 23:49:11:
In Reply to: Deuteronomy 23:7 posted by Yacov Seedeater on June 17, 1998 at 18:57:08:
: : : I would like to know who these people are. If any one can answer for me I would greatly appreciate it.
: : Great Question,
: : "Khazars" are Southern Turkish Europeans who came into Israel after the Israelites were kicked out. This took place about 1100 0r 1200 AD. They proclaim Judaism as their Natural Heritage.
: : "Edomites" are the decendants of Esau. Esau was called Edom after he sold his birth-right. He later became known as the progenitor of the Edomites. {SEE OBADIAH}
: : The Edomites were in Israel when the JEWS were in Israel. King Herod which was not a JEW was an Edomite. They dwelled amongst the JEWS, ate with the JEWS adopted their practices, culture etc. Later when Titus beseiged Jerusalem and killed the Israelites and sold the younger ones to the Ethiopians, Arabs, and Egyptians.
: : The Edomites who resided in Israel, later proclaimed themselves to be the house of ISRAEL, and are now recongized as Israel today by the majority of the world.
: > Big problems here:
: While the Edomites were assimilated into the Kingdom of Judah, which is currently being called Israel, just prior to the period of the Maccabbees, NOT ALL JEWS ARE EDOMITES! It seems that this information that is extremely important and was strategicly and conveniently excluded in the response above. Itis imperative that the WHOLE TRUTH be told about this matter by all who are interested. According to the bible there is still a royal House of David in the endtimes and if one views all Jews as being Edomites and therefore worthy of hatred, one would harbor hatred for the blood relatives of haMashiach. Many ignorant people who claim to be the seed of the House of Israel which I do not dispute by the way are guilty of a hatred for their brother that Torah says would even include an Edomite, Deut. 23:7 "Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother:" The loving act of the House of Yehudah to include the seed of Esau into their midst when they repented and converted to Torah ways has been much maligned by hatemongers among those claiming to be the House of Israel. This must stop immediately before judgments are manifested upon those involved with spreading lies and further diving what should and is to be a united people as per Ezekiel 37, that is The Whole House of Israel. If Esau has been allowed to assimilate in a manner that violates the Torah the misery brought about by that wreckless application of Torah will and has produced its own havoc. Let us not be guilty of perpetuating the ignorance and associated ill will any longer. Shalom in the Name and the Blood of the Messiah, Yacov Seedeater.
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Seed Eater,
You seem to have missed something in the verbage, that is the explanation of who the Edomites are.
First of all, EDOMITES are not YSRAEL let's get that right. That would be like saying Christanity is Judaism.
Secondly, hatred and judgement appears to be the common response in this forum when the truth is spilled. Just because facts are given does not mean that it is underscored by hate. I think you need to check that.
The prior post said that "Edom practiced the ways of Judah", so when Judah was kicked out of the land, Edom took their brothers identity. Even "unlearned" Hebrews knows this. You would have had an arguement if the post said that Edomite and Judite offspring stole Ysraels identity etc.
Next, you associate Edom as a part of the family, True in the since that Esau is Ysrael's brother {Jacob}. However, you are clearly wrong about an inclusion of another seed such as Esau in the House of Judah unless, inter marriage took place and the offspring was of the House of Ysrael not of the House of Edom.
The same applies to the "Egyptians". I noticed you left it out of the so call "family".
OH!!!!!! Before I forget, Ezekiel 37 has nothing to do with the HOUSE OF EDOM. It deals with the HOUSE of YSRAEL, UHHHH... IIII... can't figure out how that scripture related.
Never the less it appears that your understanding of the prior post was limited and that your interpretation of the verbage was mis-construed.
I urge you to read Malachi 1:1-5, and AGAIN the entire book of OBDIAH.
Peace