Deuteronomy 23:7 : Edom, a type of Adam

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: : : : : I would like to know who these people are. If any one can answer for me I would greatly appreciate it. : : : : Great Question, : : : : "Khazars" are Southern Turkish Europeans who came into Israel after the Israelites were kicked out. This took place about 1100 0r 1200 AD. They proclaim Judaism as their Natural Heritage. : : : : "Edomites" are the decendants of Esau. Esau was called Edom after he sold his birth-right. He later became known as the progenitor of the Edomites. {SEE OBADIAH} : : : : The Edomites were in Israel when the JEWS were in Israel. King Herod which was not a JEW was an Edomite. They dwelled amongst the JEWS, ate with the JEWS adopted their practices, culture etc. Later when Titus beseiged Jerusalem and killed the Israelites and sold the younger ones to the Ethiopians, Arabs, and Egyptians. : : : : : : The Edomites who resided in Israel, later proclaimed themselves to be the house of ISRAEL, and are now recongized as Israel today by the majority of the world. : : : > Big problems here: : : : While the Edomites were assimilated into the Kingdom of Judah, which is currently being called Israel, just prior to the period of the Maccabbees, NOT ALL JEWS ARE EDOMITES! It seems that this information that is extremely important and was strategicly and conveniently excluded in the response above. It is imperative that the WHOLE TRUTH be told about this matter by all who are interested. According to the bible there is still a royal House of David in the end times and if one views all Jews as being Edomites, and therefore worthy of hatred, one would harbor hatred for the blood relatives of haMashiach. : Many ignorant people who claim to be the seed of the House of Israel, which I do not dispute by the way, are guilty of a hatred for their brother that Torah says would even include an Edomite, Deut. 23:7 "Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother:" The loving act of the House of Yehudah to include the seed of Esau into their midst when they repented and converted to Torah ways has been much maligned by hatemongers among those claiming to be the House of Israel. This must stop immediately before judgments are manifested upon those involved with spreading lies and further dividing what should and is to be a united people as per Ezekiel 37, that is The Whole House of Israel. If Esau has been allowed to assimilate in a manner that violates the Torah the misery brought about by that wreckless application of Torah will and has produced its own havoc. Let us not be guilty of perpetuating the ignorance and associated ill will any longer. Shalom in the Name and the Blood of the Messiah, Yacov Seedeater. : : ************************************************************* : : Seed Eater, : : You seem to have missed something in the verbage, that is the explanation of who the Edomites are. : : First of all, EDOMITES are not YSRAEL let's get that right. That would be like saying Christanity is Judaism. : ~~ I am glad that you finally have this right, what took you so long? I have never stated anything to the contrary so your correction is unwarranted and maybe there are just a few things that YOU might need to take a look at: : : Secondly, hatred and judgement appears to be the common response in this forum when the truth is spilled. Just because facts are given does not mean that it is underscored by hate. I think you need to check that. : ~~ A blanket charge of hatre should be documented don't you think? What specifically are you referring to? : : : The prior post said that "Edom practiced the ways of Judah", so when Judah was kicked out of the land, Edom took their brothers identity. Even "unlearned" Hebrews knows this. You would have had an arguement if the post said that Edomite and Judite offspring stole Ysraels identity etc. : ~~ Oy gevalt! Edom mixed in among the House of Judah to the point where Herod was King in the time of Yeshua. Because Esau was the first-born son of Yacob with all the inherent qualities (I am here alluding to physical and mental charactaristics and NOT the blessing and the birthright) that a firstborn son exhibits, it is no wonder that the remnant of Esau can yet today be found amid the House of Judah. Jews have always said that when the House of Yacob turned their hearts toward haShem, that the House of Esau would pretend to be friendly as when Esau and Yacob were reconciled to one another on the road from Peniel after avinu wrestled with the Angel. The Scroll of Ovadiah tells one that the House of Esau made their homes in the crags of the rocks. this has several meanings: 1) The spiritually deceptive who know and understand scripture will seek to prevent the manifestation of the Holy Spirit that exposes their deceit through the breaking forth of true revelation understanding OF THE WORD. 2) The House of Esau has hidden themselves among the House of Judah and in many instances are among the world's wealthy elite, including international bankers and politicians. Many of these individuals and families have made their home in the heights of Europe in the crags of the rocks of Switzerland even as their ancestors inhabited places like Petra. When the House of Israel goes astray from YHWH, the House of Edom leads the charge in mounting the attack upon them and are merciless in their pursuits. The Holocaust was perpetrated by the House of Edom, upon the remnant of Judah, who financed the third Reich as well as Communism with the intent of annhilating the Seed of Israel even as it is today. If one looks at the banner for the European union today the upside down stars that form the goatheads are symbolic of the one who was hairy like a goat. This is why when Yacob deceived his father he wore goatskins tightly around his hands to pass himself off as Esau. When Yeshua comes from Bozrah with his garments died a bloody red it is immediately after the remnant of Esau has gone back to their ancestral homelands to hide from the nuclear holocaust they are perpetrating upon the nation of Israel that He comes to destroy them as is written in Ovadiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Amos. Because Yacob deceived Esau the House of Yacob which includes both the House of Judah and the House of Israel are now, and have been susceptible to the wiles of the House of Esau working from within the House of Judah. Because the birhtright was sold and the blessing was connived, divine justice has allowed the House of Esau to be in the role of prominence that it was promised by virtue of birth and we see Esau ruling through the auspices of governance in the affairs of the United States and its enmeshment with the State of Israel. All of these things are according to Jubilee cycles of time and Esau has just finidhed its right to rule in the Land of Israel because the Jubilee since 1948 has just ended and another has begun. The land will return to the WHOLE House of Israel according to Torah, but not without a fight. : : Next, you associate Edom as a part of the family, True in the since that Esau is Ysrael's brother {Jacob}. : However, you are clearly wrong about an inclusion of another seed such as Esau in the House of Judah unless, inter marriage took place and the offspring was of the House of Ysrael not of the House of Edom. : ~~You are the one who is mistaken, my friend, because you have not provide the answers to where is Edom and the remnant of Easu today in view of the bible prophecies about their thorough and utter destruction in the return of Mashiach. The error I seek to to dispel is that the House of Judah is only Edomites which is the kind of thinking that let 'christians' excuse the holocaust and justify it with theology. Today the number one reference book of evangelical pastors in the U.S. is the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament which was edited by Gerhard Kittel who was Hitler's propaganda minister. The fact that the international bankers stole gold from the families of Jewish holocaust survivors and only offer pennies on the dollar now that it is known,is the proof of this allegation. Jews who know Torah do not do what Esau has historically done to Judah. Every year on shabbat Zakor, the Sabbath of Remembering which precedes Pesach, Jews remind themselves of what Amalek, the grandson of Esau, did to the weak and the elderly when Yisrael emerged from Mitzraim (Egypt). Today you see this manifesting in the form of abortion of white chidren, the Seed of Israel, on demand and the push for the 'euthanizing' of the sick and elderly in countries where Israel has migrated. The Hebrew word for red is 'edom' and it is the Great 'Red' Dragon that seeks to annihilate the seed of Israel. : : The same applies to the "Egyptians". I noticed you left it out of the so call "family". : : OH!!!!!! Before I forget, Ezekiel 37 has nothing to do with the HOUSE OF EDOM. : : ~~Au contraire, mon petit chou, it follows immediately after Ezekiel 35 which prophecies the utter cessation of Edom forever!!! : It deals with the HOUSE of YSRAEL, UHHHH... IIII... can't figure out how that scripture related. : ~~UHHHH, trying reading the parts that you're ignoring to get the rest of the picture. In context, friend, put it context. : : Never the less it appears that your understanding of the prior post was limited and that your interpretation of the verbage was mis-construed. : ~~ Oh please forgive me for not acknowledging your supreme giftedness and intellectual accumen sooner, saheeb. : : I urge you to read Malachi 1:1-5, and AGAIN the entire book of OBDIAH. : : Peace : ~~Perhaps you should do a little bit more research as well, eh?

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