posted 11-20-1998 08:28 PM            

I went over the same road you are going through in your search for the truth. It is obvious that some web sites dealing with this subject are determined to obscure the pronunciation of the tetragrammaton to the extreme of making it sound ridiculous. I believe that they think that by doing so they are "protecting" the name of Yahweh so that nobody will ever know the real pronunciation... I personally believe that the Father's name is Yahweh and that Yahushua HaMaschiach is his Son, his Malak/Messanger, his Dvar/Word, Yahweh's image, and so on...

Luke 10:21-22 * In that same hour he was full of joy in the Ruach HaQodesh/Sacred Spirit and said, I give praise to you, O Father, Ruler of heaven and earth, because you have kept these things secret from the wise and the men of learning, and have made them clear to little children: for so, O Father, it was pleasing in your eyes. All things have been given to me by my Father: and no one has knowledge of the Son, but only the Father: and of the Father, but only the Son, and he to whom the Son will make it clear.

John 17:6-9 * I have given knowledge of your name to the men whom you gave me out of the world: yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your words. Now it is clear to them that whatever you have given to me comes from you: Because I have given them the words which you gave to me, and they have taken them to heart, and have certain knowledge that I came from you, and they have faith that you sent me. My prayer is for them: my prayer is not for the world, but for those whom you have given to me, because they are yours

John 17:26 * And I have given to them knowledge of your name, and will give it (I believe that this part is profetic getting to be fulfilled in our days), so that the love which you have for me may be in them and I in them.

In view of the above Scriptures I disqualify myself from teaching you the right pronunciation of our Heavenly Father's name. I feel very comfortable in my heart about the way I pronounce Yahweh and Yahushua. Althought I do have some reservations because the "heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked..." However, in your case, if Yahushua HaMaschiach doesn't come around or send someone in any way, shape or form telling you the right pronunciation of his Father's name, you will never get it out of the mouth of a swine eating Christian.

Shabbat Shalom,
Lou

posted 11-20-1998 11:31 PM            

In not place the Tanakh mention that ELOAHI, ELOAHIM, EL, are titles. From Genesis to Exodus 2, a span of 2.558 years, the Tanakh didn’t say that YHVH was a name. Only after Moses forced YHVH to give him a name in order to go to the sons of Israel YHVH named himself YHVH. Do you follow me? The wicked and powerful Jew groups (Baalim, Pharisee, among others) never have disappeared. They know about G-d, his son, the plan of redemption, more that we know. They penetrated the Jews Priesthood, contaminating the scribes, the priest, and the Law. The romans didn’t destroy the Temple because they wanted, but because it lost its holy purpose and G-d called the romans as an instrument. They contaminated the name that G-d gave to Moses. They killed the Messiah, thing that other people would not do. Many of us like generalize, for instance, we say “The jews killed their Messiah”, when we must say “a group of wicked Jews killed the Messiah”.

The name of the Almighty never was a mysterious. You read that Queen of the South knew the name, Moses never hid the name to the very blasphemous Pharaoh. The very wicked Habitant of Canaan knew and pronounced the name. Balac and Balaam knew and pronounced it. The wicked people of Jerico knew the name. The prophet Samuel tells us that the people of Bet-Semes pronounced the name.The writer of 2 Kings tells us that Senaqurib and his people pronounced the name. The king Cyrus pronounced the name. In other words: the name of G-d was never prohibited to none gentile. Therefore those who gave the command to hid the name of G-d were satanic sects. Which could be the reasons behind? A very dark purpose, of course.

When one read Esdras and Neheniah one finds that the name YHVH is used very few, instead Eloahim is more abundantly used. Certainly the population that came to Jerusalem were not homogeneous, as Aharon and Hannan say:

The Jews do not have the knowledge of the correct Name. Many of the people who left Babylon and went back to Jerusalem were not of the tribe of Yadah/Judah, but were of the land under the rule of the Persians. "...And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them." Esther 8:17, last part.

I really feel that the appreciation of Aharon and Hannan (YAH-VEH two words instead one and the meaning “YAH the giver of life”) indicate his nature of Father of everything, which is LOVE. Remember that Adam called his wife Cha-vah expressing the reason: because she was the mother of ALL living. Here I am very limited of my knowledge of Hebrew, which I thing it must be very different of the one spoken by Adam. Because a tongue reflect more that simple sounds, but also feeling, way of thinking, the environment where and time where one lives, and so on. Sadly, many of us are trying to understand the past through the corrupted glasses of this corrupted time. To understand and view the past we must forget the sages and follow what the holy writer of the Tanakh and the New Testament say: He never has failed. I am still investigating deeply. Pray for me, please, and my family, because I am one with them, as we want to be one with the Father and his son.

I have to read my Spanish Bible, then look in the Hebrew-Spanish interlinear first five book of the Tanakh, or in the Hebrew Tanakh. Forget any reading of sages and try to “talk and listen” the holy witness who wrote the Bible. I have found that many defenders of YHVH are not such but liars. I also have found that many innocent readers have been “fished” by these wicked sects.

If you know hebrew, please help me, there are many Jews that sincerely want to find the Eloahi of Abraham, the Eloahi of Isaac and the Eloahi of Jacob. Let’s make an effort to help them. Satan and his demons want to lose the rest of the descendants of woman (Revelation 12).

Dear brother, read carefully Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 1:8

Tobias in his page http://members.aol.com/Tobiyah/clouds.html mentions an important fact:

Note: Where you see the name Yahweh in the places that you are use to seeing God, these originally read YHWH. These were found in some fragments left of the destroyed originals. AND EVERY WHERE THE NAME OF THE MESSIAH WAS SUPPOSE TO BE, THAT AREA WAS CUT OUT. For some reason these names have been hidden from us, and it is obvious in our lives why it was hidden. We have found great healing and power through these names, and much has been opened to our eyes by the power of the names of our Father and our Messiah (Yahweh and Immanuwayah).

There mean that the powerful sects planned and changed a lot of thing. See, for instance, in the time of Josephus the Hebrew writing had vowels. In the days of Jesus of Nazaret the Hebrew writing used “jotas and tildes”. But the modern Jews are told that were a group of Jew sages that invented the vowels system of points. The aramaic name given by Laban to a table of stone in Aramaic was very different to the Hebrew name given by Jacob (Genesis 31:47). Many years after, when Senaquerib tried to conquest Jerusalem (2 King 18:17+) the Jews didn’t understand Aramaic (26-28). However in these days I have read that Hebrew and Aramaic are very closed. When and how did they get close? Don’t forget that we are in midst of a powerful spiritual war (Daniel 12, Revelation 12). In this forum and in others the sons of the darkness are doing their jobs. We must help each other. How do you know this son of darknes?. They lie(Rev 22:15), hate(1 John 4:8), therefore they used just the label YHVH and forget the being itself whose very nature is love, and love deeply the human race(John 3:16). The judgment is just as it is declared in the Bible (John 12:48)

I am still investigating. Certainly enough the Tanakh mentions YH, YHV, YHVH, YH YHVH, YHVH ELOAHIM. Genesis present them in the following order:

GENESIS ONE---- ELOAHIM
GENESIS TWO----YHVH ELOAHIM
GENESIS THREE-YHVH

Eloah-im is plural. The ocular witness, the one that tell us what he was seeing, tell us that Yhvh Eloah-im is different that Yhvh. None of these refers to names but to the entities themselves The angel of YHVH is not the same that the angel of ELOAHIM.

Dear brother, certainly we have few time free to help others. I need you help. Used may email sanfernando@cantv.net.

posted 11-21-1998 12:30 PM            

"I'm begining to lose respect for you very quickly" - D'vorah.

You are either a very careless student of the Scriptures or a very clever deceiver of them who search for the truth that will make us free. You are trying to find the proper pronunciation for the name of Yahweh and at the same time you make a categorically false statement that HaShem Yahweh was a "forced" afterthought that came up 2,558 years later.

You wrote...

"In not place the Tanakh mention that ELOAHI, ELOAHIM, EL, are titles. From Genesis to Exodus 2, a span of 2.558 years, the Tanakh didn’t say that YHVH was a name. Only after Moses forced YHVH to give him a name in order to go to the sons of Israel YHVH named himself YHVH. Do you follow me?"

NO! I certainly don't follow you!... Since the days of Adam and Eve people knew Yahweh and assembled themselves (moedim?) to worship him BY HIS NAME! (not by his title)

English: Genesis 4:26b * At that time men began to call on the name of Yahweh (B'Shem YHWH).

Spanish: Genesis 4:26b * Entonces los hombres comenzaron a invocar el nombre de Yahweh (B'Shem YHWH).

About your statement that Abraham and Moshe didn't know HaShem/the name YHWH it is also totally false! Any person making a sworn statement under oath in a testament or will about an inheritance must declare his proper name! Abraham knew Yahweh's name from the begining! The name of Yahweh was on the tribe of Yahuda. The Yahudim knew whom they were named after!

Genesis 12:7-8 * Yahweh appeared to Abram and said, "To your offspring I will give this land." So he built an altar there to Yahweh, who had appeared to him. From there he went on toward the hills east of Bethel and pitched his tent, with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. There he built an altar to Yahweh and called on the name of Yahweh (B'Shem YHWH).

In Yahweh's statement to Moshe about his name, he is asking Moshe a question. In the old-Hebrew there were no question marks. When we analize the facts that are documented in the TANAKH we realize that a question mark was left out by the translators... BTW, Yahweh prided himself to be a personal friend of Abraham from whom he wouldn't hide anything. Can you imagine such a friend not telling his real name to Abraham, but revealing it instead to Moshe who ended up being punished for rebelion and deprived from entering the Promised Land?

Exodus 6:3-4,8 * I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as El-Shaddai, but by my name Yahweh did I not make myself known to them? I also established my covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan, where they lived as aliens... (8) And I will bring you to the land I swore with uplifted hand to give to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob. I will give it to you as a possession. I am Yahweh.

Jose, I smell a rat (unclean animal) posting in this forum, please prove me that I'm wrong about you.