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Torah Posts: 444 Registered: May 99	posted 06-16-1999 03:52 PM Moses has said They were placed in the garden and told that they could eat from the trees in the garden but not to eat from the tree in the middle of the garden or they would surely die. It was the tree of knowledge of good and evil or more exact the tree of sexual desire and ability. There was a creature in the garden with them called the serpent who wanted to mate with Eve, because he desired to be as Yahweh with the ability to create. By Mixing his seed with Eve’s he would create a new creature. When the serpent said that they would become like Yahweh he was talking about procreation. (Those who aspire to be like Yahweh had to gain control of the creative process). MD wrote The serpent seduces Eve, Eve covers her genitals, Eve's virginity is lost, the Seed of the serpent is planted. God proclaims the SEED OF THE SERPENT and the seed of the woman will be in conflict. - - - - - - - - The Scripture says that there would be conflict between HER SEED and THE SEED OF THE SERPENT. It is talking about two separate seeds, not a single or joined seed. If she had sex with the serpent as you suggest and became pregnant by the serpent then it would be THEIR SEED, not his and hers. There is a definite DISTINCTION being made BETWEEN the TWO SEEDS. You seem to forget that Adam had a part in this. Adam also ate of the forbidden tree. So accorording to your theory Adam also had sex with the serpent? Torah IP: Logged
Moses Posts: 156 Registered:	posted 06-16-1999 08:46 PM Hello Torah, Now don't go putting words in my mouth. I did not say that Adam had sex with the serpent. He had sex with Eve, which he could not have done before eating from the forbidden tree. The serpent was no other than Pan (a satyre) and we are told in Leviticus that the people were prostituting themselves to the satyres. Leviticus 17:7: No longer may they offer their sacrifices TO THE SATYRS in whose service THEY USED TO PROSTITUTE THEMSELVES. This is a perpetual law for them and for their descendants. Shalom, Moses IP: Logged
Torah Posts: 444 Registered: May 99	posted 06-16-1999 09:03 PM Sorry Moses if you don't like the question, but you did not address any of the points that I brought up. What you are suggesting can not apply only to Eve, it would also have to apply to Adam. Torah IP: Logged
Moses Posts: 156 Registered:	posted 06-16-1999 11:01 PM Greetings Torah, I liked the questions alright. I think questions are a good thing. I thought I did answer your questions. Sorry, if I didn't make myself clear enough. You wrote: >>It is talking about two separate seeds, not a single or joined seed.<< It is talking about the sperm of a humanbeing as opposed to the sperm of a serpent. Two distinct, separate seeds, one human, the other serpent. Not one individual human being and one single serpent. Yahweh made it impossible (without the knowledge of DNA, and I'm not sure that even with that knowledge it is possible) to crossbred these two animals. You wrote: >>If she had sex with the serpent as you suggest and became pregnant by the serpent then it would be THEIR SEED<< It had nothing to do with the seed of the crossbred being. It was between the seed of mankind and the seed of the serpent. The enmity was what made it impossible for different species to mate. We are told in Deuteronomy that no halfbreed could enter the temple or his offspring for 10 generations. That is how long it takes when breeding only with pure breds to rid the bloodline of the crossbreed blood. Deuteronomy 23:2: No half-breed may be admitted to the assembly of Yahweh, not even his descendants to the tenth generation may be admitted to the assembly of Yahweh. I say that only Eve mated with the serpent because I have not found a record of Adam committing such a crime. And according to the book of the "Life of Adam and Eve", it was Eve who brought the shame upon their family. Life of Adam and Eve 44: And Adam said to Eve. "What have you done? You have brought upon us a great wound, transgression and sin in all our generations. And you shall relate what you have done to YOUR children after my death, for those who rise up FROM US shall labor, not being adequate, but failing, and they shall curse us saying. Our parents who were from the beginning have brought upon us all evils. You wrote: >>You seem to forget that Adam had a part in this. Adam also ate of the forbidden tree.<< I have not overlooked this and I do admit that it is possible that Adam also committed similar crimes. Though, I do believe that the first crime Adam committed after eating the forbidden fruit was mating with Eve. Adam and Eve were children of Yahweh, who were immortal and they were not here to mate. Shalom, Moses IP: Logged
Torah Posts: 444 Registered: May 99	posted 06-16-1999 11:28 PM Moses said Adam and Eve were children of Yahweh, who were immortal and they were not here to mate. You better explain this one, considering that the adam where told to be fruitful and multiply. Torah IP: Logged
Moses Posts: 156 Registered:	posted 06-17-1999 11:42 PM Torah, I do not believe that the man created in Genesis chapter one is the same being as the Adam of chapter two. Adam was not told to be fruitful and multiply. In the book of Genesis we are given the accounts of two creation stories, one in chapter one, which is the restoration of the earth and heaven and the other in chapter two, which is the account of the creation of a garden in the center of the earth and the creation of a human body for a son of Yahweh to come down into. In Genesis chapter one the earth is restored, then in chapter two a garden in the earth is planted. In chapter one the ELOHIM DO THE CREATING/RESTORING, the earth is restored and then mankind is created, note that the earth is restored before mankind is created. Then in chapter two, YAHWEH DOES THE CREATING and fashions a body for a Son of his to come down into (the first Messiah), and plants a garden for him to live in, note that Adam is created before the garden. In chapter one the earth is created first so man would have a place to exist. In chapter two Adam is created first because the earth was already created and then a garden was planted for him in the earth. Chapter one is the story of the creation of our solar system and the creation of life, however the man created in chapter one was merely a phantom, something that only appeared to be but wasn’t, someone without a spirit. Chapter two is the story of a Son of Yahweh coming to earth and Yahweh planting a garden in the earth for him to live in and forming a body for this spirit, out of the red clay of the earth. In Genesis chapter one the world is recreated. It had been cursed and was existing as a cursed wasteland. In chapter one the Elohim restore and corrupt the earth. In verse one the earth lies in a state of chaos and decay. Genesis 1:1-2: In the beginning the Elohim created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the Spirit of the Elohim was moving over the surface of the waters. In Genesis chapter 2 verse 8-14 Yahweh creates an enclosed garden (in the center of the earth), the garden of Eden, in Arts. In verse 15 we are told that Yahweh the woman and Adam settled in the enclosed garden to do some work. Then Yahweh warns them to be on thier guard in regard to the watchers. Literal: Genesis 2:15: And therefore Yahweh Elohim took the woman together with the man, therefore settled down and remain in enclosed garden Eden for to labor, and therefore be on guard in regard to the watchers. In chapter 1 verse 26-27: When the Elohim created mankind, they created a phantom, something that only appears to be. Something that looked like the Elohim but wasn’t. A man without a spirit! It appears that the Elohim created woman first, in the chapter one account. Psalms 39:6: Surely every man walks about as a phantom, Surely they make an uproar for nothing. Chapter 1:26-27: Then the Elohim said "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." And the Elohim created man in his own image, in the image of the Elohim he created him male and female he created them. Literal: Meditated the Elohim to carefully observe the Mortal Phantoms likeness, to dominate the fish of the western sea and winged astrologers mount all over the world and over all behold the Elohim exalted or approached the earth to shape Elohim a mortal in his image a phantom. Elohim produced him intimately a female to bring about them. Abundantly blessed them the Elohim to bear fruit and multiply to dedicate the world. To bring into bondage and dominate the fish of the west sea and winged astrologers living to move lightly beyond (or above) the earth. To teach that we are all the offspring of Adam and Eve is to teach that the races mutated from their seed and this is to teach evolution (it would have taken longer than the 6000 years since the creation of Adam for a mutation of this sort to have taken place). Yahweh also created more than one couple of each race when he created mankind in the beginning. Yahweh did not create things in a way that a person would have to commit incest in order to marry and have children, since he condemns incest. Yahweh doesn’t say something is all right and then change his mind, he knows the beginning from the end. He doesn’t have different laws for different people at different times, he is not the Father of confusion! We have two creation stories, one in chapter one and the other in chapter two. In chapter one the Elohim restore the earth, heaven and creates mankind. In Chapter two Yahweh fashioned a body for the first Messiah or Savior and plants a garden in the center of the earth (Sheol) for him to live in. In chapter one the Elohim do the creating and in chapter two Yahweh does the creating (intimately). In chapter one the earth is restored then the animals are created and then mankind is created last. In chapter two Adam is created first then a garden is planted for him and then woman and the other races are created last. Then Yahweh made a garden and put Adam in the garden where Yahweh came in the cool of the evening to teach him how he would go about setting the laws of Yahweh into motion. Adam was a Son of Yahweh who came to earth to teach mankind. He was the first Messiah or Savior. Adam was a literal son of Yahweh and this scripture shows that genealogy. Luke 3:38: the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of Yahweh. 1 Corinthians 15:22 & 45 For as in Adam all die (lost their mortality), so also in the Messiah all shall be made alive (gained back their mortality). So also it is written; The first man Adam, became a living soul (mortal). The last Adam became a life-giving spirit (immortal). Because of Adam (the first Messiah) all die, but then through Yahushua (the last Messiah) all can have life eternal Torah, I do not believe that the man created in Genesis chapter one is the same being as the Adam of chapter two. In the book of Genesis we are given the accounts of two creation stories, one in chapter one, which is the restoration of the earth and heaven and the other in chapter two, which is the account of the creation of a garden in the center of the earth and the creation of a human body for a son of Yahweh to come down into. In Genesis chapter one the earth is restored, then in chapter two a garden in the earth is planted. In chapter one the ELOHIM DO THE CREATING/RESTORING, the earth is restored and then mankind is created, note that the earth is restored before mankind is created. Then in chapter two, YAHWEH DOES THE CREATING and fashions a body for a Son of his to come down into (the first Messiah), and plants a garden for him to live in, note that Adam is created before the garden. In chapter one the earth is created first so man would have a place to exist. In chapter two Adam is created first because the earth was already created and then a garden was planted for him in the earth. Chapter one is the story of the creation of our solar system and the creation of life, however the man created in chapter one was merely a phantom, something that only appeared to be but wasn’t, someone without a spirit. Chapter two is the story of a Son of Yahweh coming to earth and Yahweh planting a garden in the earth for him to live in and forming a body for this spirit, out of the red clay of the earth. In Genesis chapter one the world is recreated. It had been cursed and was existing as a cursed wasteland. In chapter one the Elohim restore and corrupt the earth. In verse one the earth lies in a state of chaos and decay. Genesis 1:1-2: In the beginning the Elohim created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the Spirit of the Elohim was moving over the surface of the waters. In Genesis chapter 2 verse 8-14 Yahweh creates an enclosed garden (in the center of the earth), the garden of Eden, in Arts. In verse 15 we are told that Yahweh the woman and Adam settled in the enclosed garden to do some work. Then Yahweh warns them to be on thier guard in regard to the watchers. Literal: Genesis 2:15: And therefore Yahweh Elohim took the woman together with the man, therefore settled down and remain in enclosed garden Eden for to labor, and therefore be on guard in regard to the watchers. In chapter 1 verse 26-27: When the Elohim created mankind, they created a phantom, something that only appears to be. Something that looked like the Elohim but wasn’t. A man without a spirit! It appears that the Elohim created woman first, in the chapter one account. Psalms 39:6: Surely every man walks about as a phantom, Surely they make an uproar for nothing. Chapter 1:26-27: Then the Elohim said "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." And the Elohim created man in his own image, in the image of the Elohim he created him male and female he created them. Literal: Meditated the Elohim to carefully observe the Mortal Phantoms likeness, to dominate the fish of the western sea and winged astrologers mount all over the world and over all behold the Elohim exalted or approached the earth to shape Elohim a mortal in his image a phantom. Elohim produced him intimately a female to bring about them. Abundantly blessed them the Elohim to bear fruit and multiply to dedicate the world. To bring into bondage and dominate the fish of the west sea and winged astrologers living to move lightly beyond (or above) the earth. To teach that we are all the offspring of Adam and Eve is to teach that the races mutated from their seed and this is to teach evolution (it would have taken longer than the 6000 years since the creation of Adam for a mutation of this sort to have taken place). Yahweh also created more than one couple of each race when he created mankind in the beginning. Yahweh did not create things in a way that a person would have to commit incest in order to marry and have children, since he condemns incest. Yahweh doesn’t say something is all right and then change his mind, he knows the beginning from the end. He doesn’t have different laws for different people at different times, he is not the Father of confusion! We have two creation stories, one in chapter one and the other in chapter two. In chapter one the Elohim restore the earth, heaven and creates mankind. In Chapter two Yahweh fashioned a body for the first Messiah or Savior and plants a garden in the center of the earth (Sheol) for him to live in. In chapter one the Elohim do the creating and in chapter two Yahweh does the creating (intimately). In chapter one the earth is restored then the animals are created and then mankind is created last. In chapter two Adam is created first then a garden is planted for him and then woman and the other races are created last. Then Yahweh made a garden and put Adam in the garden where Yahweh came in the cool of the evening to teach him how he would go about setting the laws of Yahweh into motion. Adam was a Son of Yahweh who came to earth to teach mankind. He was the first Messiah or Savior. Adam was a literal son of Yahweh and this scripture shows that genealogy. Luke 3:38: the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of Yahweh. 1 Corinthians 15:22 & 45 For as in Adam all die (lost their mortality), so also in the Messiah all shall be made alive (gained back their mortality). So also it is written; The first man Adam, became a living soul (mortal). The last Adam became a life-giving spirit (immortal). Because of Adam (the first Messiah) all die, but then through Yahushua (the last Messiah) all can have life eternal. Shalom, Moses IP: Logged
Jozef Posts: 425 Registered: Jan 99	posted 06-18-1999 09:26 AM Shalom I am astonished. !!!! You all must have different bibles than I, In all my bibles there is no such thing as watchers in chapter 2:15. And right from verse 4 is speaks about Adam, not any one ells. It clearly states there from verse 4 "When Yahweh our Elohim made the earth and the heavens - and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for Yahweh our Elohim had not sent rain on the earth and there was NO MAN to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- Yahweh our Elohim formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a lining being. Now Yahweh our Elohim had planted a garden in the east, in Eden, and there he put the man he had formed...... verse 15 Yahweh our Elohim took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And Yahweh our Elohim commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." I fail to see an audience ( watchers ) in stead I read in the next verse ... "Yahweh our Elohim said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."" All I see is that he was alone. But than if you guys are writing the script for the next Stephen King's movie, do not let me interrupt. Shalom Jozef IP: Logged
Moses Posts: 156 Registered:	posted 06-18-1999 03:16 PM Jozef, You wrote: >>You all must have different bibles than I, In all my bibles there is no such thing as watchers in chapter 2:15.<< I am quoting directly from the Hebrew, not a translation. The last word in Genesis 2:15 is: waw, lahmed, sheen, mem, rehsh, he: waw = conj. therefore, and lahmed = unto sheen, mem, rehsh, he = watcher Shalom, Moses IP: Logged
Torah Posts: 444 Registered: May 99	posted 06-18-1999 04:47 PM Dear Moses You say that you are quoting directly from the Hebrew. I am very interested in the Hebrew Scriptures that you have, because I too prefer having the untranslated Hebrew. Does your source have a name? Torah IP: Logged
Torah Posts: 444 Registered: May 99	posted 06-18-1999 07:40 PM Dear Moses Is the Hebrew that you have separated or do the characters all run to gether as in the original. sheen, mem, rehsh, he = watcher yes #8108 and 8109 a guard; watchfulness; something guarded IP: Logged
Jozef Posts: 425 Registered: Jan 99	posted 06-18-1999 11:55 PM Shalom, OK, but than everything with eyes are watchers. All the birds, animals, reptiles and insects were watching to. This proves not a point that specific watchers like the ones suggested were watching. maybe there was a remote controlled camera (Big brother is watching) in the Garden of Eden. Ok, we all have Angels appointed to minister to us who will inherit salvation as quoted in Hebrew 1:13, but angels are not reptilian. And reptiles cannot crosbreed with Mammals, If you believe that, tell me, did Cain come out of an egg laid by Eve? Shalom Jozef IP: Logged

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