EliYah Shabbat Shalom :)
[21:31] BrClif Praise YHWH!
EliYah Yes :)
[21:31] BrClif Shabbat Shalom!
[21:31] Lou777 SHABBAT SHALOM...!
[21:32] BrClif We meet the great Brother Lou, LIVE at last!
EliYah yea :)
[21:32] Lou777 :)
EliYah How are you tonite?
[21:32] Lou777 OK after 30 min of hard work on the Sabbath
EliYah aggh
EliYah Well, it was for tov :)
[21:33] BrClif Yes, a good work.
[21:33] Lou777 :)
EliYah I don't think YermeYah is going to make it tonite
EliYah Nor Tamar
[21:34] BrClif No, not Tamar
EliYah BrClif, would you like to start a prayer?
-> [`Watchman] DO /mode #1MESSIAH +i
[21:34] *** `Watchman sets mode: +i
[21:35] BrClif Please let Brother Lou
EliYah ok..Lou?
[21:35] Lou777 I'm a slow typer... every time I hit the right key
I go on a round of celebration...
EliYah hehe
[21:35] BrClif Quality, not quantity.
EliYah It's ok :)
[21:35] Lou777 OK...
[21:36] Lou777 ABBA YAHWEH...
[21:36] Lou777 WE ARE SO HAPPY TO BE TOGETHER IN SPITE OF THE DISTANCE...
[21:36] Lou777 WE HOPE TO LEARN MORE FROM YOU TONIGHT...
[21:37] Lou777 WE PRAY THAY YOUR RUACH HAQODESH WILL ILLUMINATE
OF HEART
WITH THE TRUTH...
[21:37] Lou777 WE PLACE OURSELVES IN YOUR HAND...
[21:37] Lou777 IN YAHSHUA'S PRECIOUS NAME...
[21:37] Lou777 HALLELUYAH...!
EliYah Let it be, HalleluYah!
[21:37] BrClif So let it be!
EliYah Thank you brother and thank YOU YAHWEH!
EliYah Lou is there anything that you would like to share tonight?
[21:39] Lou777 I was hesitant to join the chat...
EliYah I have something if you do not..
[21:39] Lou777 don't get me wrong...
[21:40] Lou777 go ahead... untill I get used to this...
EliYah ok :)
EliYah Last week, I talked some on the name of Yahweh..
EliYah This week, I thought it might be more edifying if we could
talk some on the nature of Yahweh
and His Son Yahshua
EliYah I posted something to the forum for questions about the Trinity..
EliYah I had been studying it intently
EliYah And I found out that it was attached to chr-stianity much
later
EliYah namely by Tertullian
EliYah who was a lawyer by trad
EliYah trade
EliYah he would look for groups of 3's
[21:42] BrClif why 3's?
EliYah Father, Son, H-ly Spirit
EliYah To support a triune deity
EliYah Nobody went with him on it until after some time had passed
EliYah And it began to gain popularity
EliYah Then came the council of Nicea
[21:44] Lou777 years?...
EliYah I think 325
EliYah Then again in 380
EliYah 380 clarified the role of Holy Spirit..there had been debate
EliYah at any rate..
EliYah The Trinity is clearly a false doctrine..
[21:45] Lou777 Where did you get this input? about the facts
EliYah Encylopaedia's and a historical book I had been reading
EliYah A book called Origin's of Sacred things
EliYah Also verified this
EliYah Oddly, it was written by a catholic
[21:46] Lou777 Are you aware that there is a site in the web with
all the writings of the "church
fathers?
EliYah really
EliYah Come to think of it, I think I had seen this...
[21:47] Lou777 I downloaded over 500 ZIP files with all the documentation
for the first 500 years of
the common era
EliYah I may even have it bookmarked..
EliYah I lost all my bookmarks though recently
[21:48] BrClif I posted the URL in the FORUM
[21:48] Lou777 You will learn to know me better after you read some
of it... I read almost half of it...
[21:48] BrClif Ethereal Library
[21:48] Lou777 NOpe
EliYah I'll continue the research..
EliYah on the origin.
[21:48] Lou777 I can help you...
[21:48] *** shadowz is on IRC
EliYah okay
EliYah The focus of my research was primarily on scripture..
[21:49] *** shadowz has left IRC
[21:49] Lou777 Go ahead...
EliYah The word "Elohim" is the most overused word in
trying to prove the Trinity.
EliYah I came to understand that this word does have other uses
than 'deity'
EliYah It can also mean a judge or a ruler
EliYah This is also true of the word 'Theos' in greek
EliYah In fact, one translations translated it as 'ruler'
EliYah I think though, that it can be refuted if you understand
that Elohim is a title that describes
Yahweh just as the word "King" or "Master" describes
Yahweh..
EliYah It is not really a crown of some sort, as xtians would say
EliYah It is true that there is only one Elohim..
EliYah Just as there is really only one Master..
EliYah but the word is used to describe men and angels and yes,
Yahshua
EliYah But I believe that Yahweh is supreme and above all things..
[21:54] Lou777 How do you describe Yahweh?
EliYah But all things, all power and authority have been given to
Yahshua
EliYah He is the giver of all life, the source of all things
EliYah From Him all things flow
EliYah +de 6 4
[21:55] <`Watchman> Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our
Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
EliYah I believe in this scripture...
EliYah Yahweh is definitely ONE
EliYah I believe however, that Yahoshua also used 'Echad' in His
prayer:
[21:56] Lou777 Naturally....
EliYah +John 17 20
[21:56] <`Watchman> John 17:20 - Neither pray I for these alone,
but for them also which shall believe
on me through their word;
EliYah +John 17 21
[21:57] <`Watchman> John 17:21 - That they all may be one; as thou,
Father, art in me, and I in thee,
that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast
sent me.
EliYah We can also be one with Yahweh as Yahoshua is one with Yahweh
EliYah +John 17 22
[21:57] <`Watchman> John 17:22 - And the glory which thou gavest
me I have given them; that they
may be one, even as we are one:
EliYah +John 17 23
[21:57] <`Watchman> John 17:23 - I in them, and thou in me, that
they may be made perfect in one; and
that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as
thou hast loved me.
EliYah Because we are one with Yahweh and one with Yahshua does
not make us co-equal...
EliYah It doesn't make anything equal to anything else
EliYah It is a word that describes unity
EliYah +gen 2 24
[21:59] <`Watchman> Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his
father and his mother, and shall
cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
EliYah Yes, Echad was used here 'one' flesh
EliYah They are one
EliYah And Yahweh is one
EliYah There is no disunity within Him
EliYah There are no disagreements between Yahshua and Yahweh
EliYah They are one in purpose, thought
EliYah And we can share that oneness with them, HalleluYah :)
EliYah Now the very essence of the word "Father" is one
that describes a giver of life
EliYah Yahshua referred to Him as such. As do we
EliYah You do not ascribe the title "Father" to one who
hasn't created you
EliYah +prov 30 4
[22:02] <`Watchman> Proverbs 30:4 - Who hath ascended up into heaven,
or descended? who hath
gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the
ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou
canst tell?
EliYah Here is an example of the Son being mentioned even in the
Tanakh
EliYah A fascinating scripture...something I am still looking into
is the nature of Yahshua's
pre-existence
EliYah +john 17 23
[22:03] <`Watchman> John 17:23 - I in them, and thou in me, that
they may be made perfect in one; and
that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as
thou hast loved me.
EliYah oops
EliYah +john 17 3
[22:04] <`Watchman> John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they
might know thee, the only true
Elohim, and YAHOSHUA the Messiah, whom thou hast sent.
EliYah Yahshua called Him the only true Elohim..
EliYah Some might say that this was Yahshua speaking before He was
glorified..in His earthly state
EliYah But even after His resurrection...
EliYah and ascension
EliYah +rev 3 12
[22:05] <`Watchman> Revelations 3:12 - "He who overcomes, I
will make him a pillar in the temple of
My Elohim, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name
of My Elohim and the name
of the city of My Elohim, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven
from My Elohim. And
[I] [will] [write] [on] [him] My new name.
EliYah Yahweh is STILL His Elohim
EliYah Therefore nothing has changed...
EliYah Yahweh is still the Elohim of Yahshua
EliYah And therefore greater than He
EliYah +john 10 27
[22:06] <`Watchman> John 10:27 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know
them, and they follow me:
EliYah +john 10 28 29
[22:06] <`Watchman> John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life;
and they shall never perish, neither
shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[22:06] <`Watchman> John 10:29 - My Father, which gave them me, is
greater than all; and no man is
able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
EliYah All things are given TO Yahshua by the Father...
EliYah And Yahweh is greater than all
EliYah +John 14 28
[22:07] <`Watchman> John 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you,
I go away, and come again unto
you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
for my Father is greater than
I.
EliYah Again..
EliYah Yahweh is above all things
EliYah I do not take honor from Yahshua in saying this
EliYah He is worthy of all praise, honor and yes, Worship
EliYah as I will elaborate in a minute
EliYah +1cor 15 20
[22:09] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:20 - But now is the Messiah risen
from the dead, and become the
firstfruits of them that slept.
EliYah +1cor 15 21
[22:09] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:21 - For since by man came death,
by man came also the
resurrection of the dead.
EliYah +1cor 15 22
[22:09] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:22 - For as in Adam all die,
even so in the Messiah shall all be
made alive.
EliYah +1cor 15 23
[22:09] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:23 - But every man in his own
order: the Messiah the firstfruits;
afterward they that are the Messiah's at his coming.
EliYah (note..at His coming..that's another study though ..hehe)
EliYah +1cor 15 24
[22:10] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:24 - Then cometh the end, when
he shall have delivered up the
kingdom to YAHWEH, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and
power.
EliYah Yahshua delivering the kingdom to His Father..
EliYah +1cor 15 25
[22:10] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:25 - For he must reign, till
he hath put all enemies under his feet.
EliYah He, being Yahshua
EliYah +1cor 15 26
[22:10] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:26 - The last enemy that shall
be destroyed is death.
EliYah Yes, Yahshua has the keys to death..
EliYah +1cor 15 27
[22:10] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:27 - For he hath put all things
under his feet. But when he saith,
all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which
did put all things under him.
EliYah who is excepted here?
EliYah Not all things are under Yahshua...but He who PUT all things
under Yahshua is none other than
YAHWEH
EliYah So Yahweh is the exception
EliYah +1cor 15 28
[22:11] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 15:28 - And when all things shall
be subdued unto him, then shall the
Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that
YAHWEH may be all in all.
EliYah So Yahshua will be subject to Yahweh in a future time..
EliYah Even as now
EliYah +1cor 11 1
[22:12] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 11:1 - Be ye followers of me, even
as I also am of the Messiah.
EliYah +1cor 11 2
[22:12] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 11:2 - Now I praise you, brethren,
that ye remember me in all things,
and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
EliYah +1cor 11 3
[22:12] <`Watchman> 1Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know,
that the head of every man is the
Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah
is YAHWEH.
EliYah All things in order..Yahweh is above all
EliYah +mat 28 16
[22:13] <`Watchman> Matthew 28:16 - Then the eleven disciples went
away into Galilee, into a
mountain where YAHOSHUA had appointed them.
EliYah +mat 28 17
[22:14] <`Watchman> Matthew 28:17 - And when they saw him, they worshipped
him: but some
doubted.
EliYah Yes, worshipped Yahshua. And Yahshua accepted such
EliYah +mat 28 18
[22:14] <`Watchman> Matthew 28:18 - And YAHOSHUA came and spake unto
them, saying, All
power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
EliYah All power GIVEN to Him in heaven and earth
EliYah We must accept and rejoice at this!
EliYah Yahshua is WORTHY!!
EliYah For He overcame the world!
EliYah And in Him there is LIFE and Salvation!
EliYah It is not unusual for one to worship one who represents Yahweh
EliYah Men worshipped David
EliYah Yes
EliYah It is true
EliYah Men worshipped David
EliYah David was a representative of Yahweh
EliYah He was NOT Yahweh
EliYah But His kingship represented that
EliYah +2sam 14 4
[22:18] <`Watchman> 2Samuel 14:4 - And when the woman of Tekoah spake
to the king, she fell on her
face to the ground, and did obeisance, and said, Help, O king.
EliYah +2sam 14 5
[22:18] <`Watchman> 2Samuel 14:5 - And the king said unto her, What
aileth thee? And she answered, I
am indeed a widow woman, and mine husband is dead.
EliYah Here, the word used for obeisance..
EliYah Is also translated 'Worship' 99 other times in scripture
EliYah Even Exodus 20 and the 10 commandments
EliYah +ps 45 6
[22:20] <`Watchman> Psalms 45:6 - Thy throne, O Elohim, is for ever
and ever: the sceptre of thy
kingdom is a right sceptre.
EliYah +ps 45 7
[22:20] <`Watchman> Psalms 45:7 - Thou lovest righteousness, and
hatest wickedness: therefore Elohim,
thy Elohim, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
EliYah A verse that speaks of Yahshua
EliYah Calls Him Elohim..
EliYah in verse 6
EliYah but clarifies who His Elohim is in verse 7
EliYah +ps 45 8
[22:21] <`Watchman> Psalms 45:8 - All thy garments smell of myrrh,
and aloes, and cassia, out of the
ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
EliYah This is an allegory of Yahshua and His assembly I believe..
EliYah +ps 45 9
[22:21] <`Watchman> Psalms 45:9 - Kings' daughters were among thy
honourable women: upon thy
right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
EliYah +ps 45 10
[22:21] <`Watchman> Psalms 45:10 - Hearken, O daughter, and consider,
and incline thine ear; forget also
thine own people, and thy father's house;
EliYah +ps 45 11
[22:21] <`Watchman> Psalms 45:11 - So shall the king greatly desire
thy beauty: for he is thy
YAHWEH; and worship thou him.
EliYah hmmm
EliYah An error in translation there
EliYah The Hebrew reads "Adon"
EliYah Not Yahweh
EliYah But it shows that it is ok to worship Yahshua
EliYah And why..
EliYah And I hope I have began to show..
EliYah The nature of Yahweh and Yahshua, HalleluYah :)
EliYah I'll continue next week
EliYah If Yahweh wills
[22:23] Lou777 Excellent...! HalleluYah!!!!
EliYah Yes, Praise Yahweh!
EliYah Brethren, are there any comments or questions on what I have
shared?
[22:25] Lou777 I wonder, I missed making notes of the Scripture...
Can you list the verses???
EliYah We will post this session to the forum, will that help?
[22:25] Lou777 Sure!
EliYah Great :)
EliYah BrClif you with us?
-> [BrClif] PING
EliYah Okay..he is cutting/pasting
EliYah Any more questions/comments? BrClif?
[22:27] Lou777 My comments at the beginning of this session were
about how the Anointians got the
idea about the "Trinity"... Not to document myself on any merits
to it...
EliYah It is something I want to hear more on
EliYah Being that you have read those things, it would edify me
to hear your thoughts
[22:29] Lou777 If you read the "church father's" you will
loose practically all respect for
Anointianity...
EliYah I have read a little..
EliYah I read where one said that he who celebrates passover is
a partaker in Messiah death
[22:30] Lou777 unless you wish to believe like them... It is pure
philosophy...
EliYah I would imagine.. the greeks were full of that
[22:31] Lou777 Remember that I'm a slow typer and I need to see
where I hit with the thumb...
EliYah no problem at all :)
[22:31] Lou777 Practically all the "church fathers" were
Greek Philosophers
EliYah Yes, it seemed to me this way also
EliYah from what I did read
[22:33] Lou777 It all started when they accepted the doctrine of
the duality of names for Yahshua...
"Iesous" and "Xpistos"
EliYah When did this start, do you think?
[22:34] Lou777 They name "Christ" (Messiah) a second name
for Yahshua at his immersion...
[22:34] Lou777 Sorry, I missed some keys... They made "Christ"
a second name for Yahshua...
EliYah oh yes
EliYah As if it were his last name
[22:35] Lou777 That's right!
[22:35] Lou777 It is documented...!
EliYah The translation we use has Yahoshua THE Messiah
[22:35] Lou777 Great!
-> [Lou777] PING
-> [Lou777] VERSION
[22:36] Lou777 But I noticed that you use Messiah by itself as a
second name or nick...
EliYah As a title
[22:36] Lou777 You need the THE in it!
EliYah Yes...
EliYah Ha Mashiach would be better
[22:37] Lou777 Maybe we all learn something new tonight...
EliYah Yes ! :)
EliYah +ps 133 1-3
[22:38] <`Watchman> Psalms 133:1 - Behold, how good and how pleasant
it is for brethren to dwell
together in unity!
[22:38] <`Watchman> Psalms 133:2 - It is like the precious ointment
upon the head, that ran down upon
the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
[22:38] <`Watchman> Psalms 133:3 - As the dew of Hermon, and as the
dew that descended upon the
mountains of Zion: for there YAHWEH commanded the blessing, even life for
evermore.
EliYah Lou, I hope you can be here next week also
EliYah We are here also during the week...
-> [`Watchman] DO /mode #1MESSIAH -i
[22:40] *** `Watchman sets mode: -i
[22:40] Lou777 When?
EliYah Evenings usually
EliYah Sometimes we miss each other though
[22:40] Lou777 I'll check from time to time...
EliYah Type this:
EliYah /notify EliYah
EliYah and this:
EliYah /notify BrClif
EliYah Mirc will tell you if we are on
[22:41] Lou777 OK
EliYah I've found IRC to be a great tool for witnessing
EliYah Meet people all over the world
[22:42] Lou777 Your page is great, too
EliYah Praise Yahweh :)
EliYah Someone from Israel was here earlier
[22:42] Lou777 Do you keep track of the hits?
EliYah On the web page?
EliYah Sort of
[22:43] Lou777 Yes
EliYah I get about 30-50 visitors a day
[22:43] *** shadowz is on IRC
[22:43] Lou777 That's good...
EliYah yea..I would like it to continue to grow, Yahweh willing
EliYah How old are you lou?
[22:44] *** greta is on IRC
[22:44] Lou777 55
EliYah Wonderful..we need more gray heads around here :)
[22:45] *** greta has left IRC
[22:45] Lou777 how old are you?
EliYah I'm 26
[22:45] Lou777 you are a kid
EliYah i suppose I am :)
EliYah Surprised?
[22:46] Lou777 not really...
EliYah good
EliYah i have 2 children..ages 4 and 5
EliYah Been married for 7 years
[22:47] Lou777 what's your trade?
EliYah I'm a teacher at an adult vocational school
EliYah I teach Heating/ Air Conditioning
EliYah How about you?
[22:48] Lou777 I do a little software programming
EliYah nice
EliYah Oh no!!
EliYah Clyde tried to come in the channel
EliYah I had forgotten to reset it to uninvite mode
EliYah He couldn't join
EliYah He just posted to the forum
EliYah anyone know his email?
[22:50] Lou777 not I
[22:51] *** [}aisey69 (~Daisey69@qwksilvr.com) has joined #1MESSIAH
[22:51] *** `Watchman sets mode: +v [}aisey69
[22:51] *** [}aisey69 is now known as {}z
[22:52] <{}z> anyone heard the good news?
[22:52] Lou777 yes...!
[22:53] Lou777 you made it!
EliYah That isnt clyde
EliYah How are you {}z?
EliYah I emailed Clyde, I hope he gets it
EliYah Well, brethren..shall we close in prayer?
[22:57] Lou777 Go ahead...
EliYah Are you there BrClif?
-> [BrClif] PING
EliYah ok..
[22:59] *** EliYah sets mode: -v {}z
-> [`Watchman] DO /mode #1MESSIAH +i
[22:59] *** `Watchman sets mode: +i
EliYah Abba YAHWEH, we come to you in the name of your Son Yahoshua
Ha Mashiach
EliYah And we thank you for this gathering tonite..
EliYah Thank your for all your mercy and truth that you have shown
us..
EliYah We praise your name, you are good to your servants and we
praise you Abba
EliYah We ask that you would continue to shine the light of your
word in our hearts
EliYah And help us to walk in the light you reveal to us
EliYah I pray that if it be your will that Clyde could fellowship
with us soon..
EliYah And I pray that you will be with the brethren on this Sabbath
day
EliYah Bless them with peace and joy that no man can destroy
EliYah And I ask that you would be with us as we serve you this
coming week..
EliYah Help us to walk according your will...Help us to have mercy
so we may obtain it from you
Abba
EliYah And lead us not into temptations, but deliver us from evils
that are so manifest in these days..
EliYah Lead us into your Kingdom that we desire to come, may it
be.
EliYah For truly unto you is all power and life forevermore!
EliYah Let it be, HalleluYah!
[23:05] Lou777 Yes.. let it be so,,, HalleluYah!
[23:06] Lou777 Shalom, EliYah...
EliYah Shalom...Shabbat Shalom :)
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