Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 8/15/97
EliYah - YermeYah, would you open the meeting with Prayer?
YermeYah - HalleluYAH...
YermeYah - Heavenly Father, as we gather here this evening...
YermeYah - please cause our minds and our hearts to be open to truth...
YermeYah - please give us the ability to discern...
YermeYah - we thank for this Sabbath Day and we ask for your blessings upon it as we gather...
YermeYah - we thank for your family that is named after your son...
YermeYah - in Yahoshua's name me pray...
YermeYah - HalleluYAH
EliYah - So let it be, HalleluYah! :)
Qumran_Bet - And Amen. --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - Thank you all, I'm happy we are all here together. Praise His Holy Name. --BJ
Qumran_Bet - Should I begin, then? --BJ
EliYah - Yes :)
YermeYah - Yes
Qumran_Bet - Do we live in a world beyond the pale, where our daughters are subjected to pressures on every side, and even to open revolt against their father's authority?
Qumran_Bet - Are they influenced by society to take upon themselves the responsibility of choosing a mate and given to understand that estrus is the guiding light for this most pivotal selection?
Qumran_Bet - Is experimentation condoned and encouraged by hedonists of every stripe? Do we hear that any unwanted pregnancy can swiftly, easily and quietly be terminated? Is this the wide road to Gehenna?
Qumran_Bet - Not to worry, it only consumes our tender offspring and precious grand-children.
Qumran_Bet - What is a father to do? If you were to announce at evening meal tonight, that, henceforth your family was going to adopt a modus that was in keeping with the Patriarchs, would you find your self having a psychological evaluation in the "safe" room at the county hospital?
Qumran_Bet - Is this a world not touched by reality?
Qumran_Bet - Here we have spoken only of daughters, though the influence of the system applies equally to sons, wives and fathers. It seems our world is full of vile doctrines. These wild notions did not spring- up over night.
Qumran_Bet - If they had, we would have united against these perverts and either stoned, hung, burnt or otherwise finalized the kooks who held these anti-social ideologies. After all isn't this a deadly poison to the body of a people?
Qumran_Bet - Gradualism! Yes, gradualism has done us in and it is not reversible, once you have corrupted the core, death is the natural course. Babylon is in the throes of death, her stench has ascended even to the throne of the Most High.
Qumran_Bet - Fathers, there is hope, it comes from an unlikely source of action. For you who have been conditioned to put your trust in your self, your power, your take charge will, this will be a new experience. There is an order, a way, a real solution but, to achieve it, you must let go.
Qumran_Bet - Let go of your will, your way, your power and put the will, the way, the power of the Father, first, last and always. His Son has shown and trod a path for us to walk. That walk leads to everlasting life in righteousness and peace.
Qumran_Bet - All of us who wish to follow in the steps of our righteous Messiah, to call on His true Name, to live in accordance with the will of His Father, the Most High find ourselves at odds with conventional or rather convenient-ial wisdom.
Qumran_Bet - The Messiah came to do a dividing work. This severing as in Matthew 13: 47-49 does set the teeth on edge.
Qumran_Bet - +Matthew 13:47-49
`Watchman Matthew 13:47 - Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
`Watchman - Matthew 13:48 - Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
`Watchman - Matthew 13:49 - So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Qumran_Bet - The sting of the separating sword in +Matthew 10:34-36 is pain to our very core.
Qumran_Bet - +Matthew 10:34-36
`Watchman - Matthew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
`Watchman - Matthew 10:35 - For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
`Watchman - Matthew 10:36 - And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Qumran_Bet - At this point our Messiah immediately reminds us that our love for Him must take precedence over our love for our families and even our own lives. To those in the world this is rank foolishness, to us it is pure wisdom.
Qumran_Bet - We MUST sever our ties with those who are devoted to destruction.
Qumran_Bet - And with the same fervor, we must join with our brothers and sisters in the faith, taking care to assess their motives, testing the spirits as it were, so as to gather in surety that we can up-build one another, admonish when necessary, praise when appropriate and above all love.
Qumran_Bet - Love as in the doing as we would have done to us.
Qumran_Bet - We are about to enter into a time of tribulation (pressure) like the world has never known. We, brothers and sisters, will need to prepare so as to be ready to live as was foretold in Psalms 23.
Qumran_Bet - +psalms 23:1-3
`Watchman - Psalms 23:1 - YAHWEH is my shepherd; I shall not want.
`Watchman - Psalms 23:2 - He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
`Watchman - Psalms 23:3 - He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Qumran_Bet - +psalms 23:4-6
`Watchman - Psalms 23:4 - Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
`Watchman - Psalms 23:5 - Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
`Watchman - Psalms 23:6 - Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of YAHWEH for ever.
Qumran_Bet - Yes, while all about us perish, we can recline at that wonderfully prepared table.
Qumran_Bet - Those, false to the faith once delivered..., are teaching a doctrine of peace through union.
Qumran_Bet - We can have true peace only if it is based on lawfulness, righteousness, justice and love and this can only be achieved if we are allowed to live in a world where double dealing, double mindedness, double allegiance, double scales and double standards do not exist.
Qumran_Bet - The prophet Malachi stated this dilemma so well in his concluding chapter
+Malachi 4:1-6.
Qumran_Bet - +malachi 4:1-3
`Watchman - Malachi 4:1 - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith YAHWEH of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
`Watchman - Malachi 4:2 - But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
`Watchman - Malachi 4:3 - And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith YAHWEH of hosts.
Qumran_Bet - +malachi 4:4-6
`Watchman - Malachi 4:4 - Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
`Watchman - Malachi 4:5 - Behold, I will send you EliYah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of YAHWEH:
`Watchman - Malachi 4:6 - And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Qumran_Bet - Fathers, there are answers, you must be willing to know, then do the Fathers will. You must teach your children, you must speak of these things when you are in your houses and even in the streets. You must be willing that your mind be made over, that your hand should do His will.
Qumran_Bet - In this, we are taking upon ourselves HIS mark. We must have either the mark of YHWH or the mark of HaSatan. In taking charge of your family's life in Him, learn to know and say no. Do not be hearers only but, be doers of the word.
Qumran_Bet - Know that it is written, "Get out of her," (Babylon/confusion) "touch not," "be separate!" Ask for the guidance and comfort of the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaQodesh). Reverence the Name of the Eternal, EAUA (e as in meet, a as in father, u as in duty, a as in way).
Qumran_Bet - He has the plan, the power, the love. He is our salvation, He anointed His only begotten Son EAUshua who willingly paid the full price of our ransom and He is now at the door, ready to take His crown, to come in power, to make all things new, to bury the dead.
Qumran_Bet - Only then can we have the full unity promised through Malachi. Now we must
make full use of this day of preparation. HalleluEA! HalleluEA! Praise His holy Name. The hour is late, His Sabbath draws near.
Qumran_Bet - Let us now open for discussion, Brothers.
EliYah - HalleluYah :)
EliYah - I agree...especially about the 'gradualism'
Qumran_Bet - and the rotten core? --BJ
EliYah - For instance, the way people dress..
EliYah - a century ago, it was a shame for a woman to show her wrists
Qumran_Bet - And that is just an outward sign of a mindset, which the mindset is totally perverted. --BJ
EliYah - One must seek how far the culture went astray from His word
EliYah - Like it or not, we grew up here
EliYah - And we are influenced
Qumran_Bet - Roses come from fertilizer... --BJ
EliYah - And you mention the purification
Lenny_Bratcher - When the Son of man shall come, will He find faith? Faith in His Word of Command?
Qumran_Bet - We must be completely changed from our surroundings and environment. We must put on the new man. --BJ
YermeYah - I enjoyed your message much, br. Jerry
EliYah - me too
YermeYah - Praise YHWH!
Qumran_Bet - Thank you. I had no idea how much work a message would be. : ) --Br.Jerry
Qumran_Bet - I had a lot of help from Br. Clif, Sis. Juanita, and the Ruach. --BJ
Qumran_Bet - I only pointed out a verse. --Br. Clif
Qumran_Bet - I only typed. --Sis. Juanita
Qumran_Bet - lol
EliYah - Jerry, do you believe that doing this Must consist of joining a community of brethren?
Qumran_Bet - Yes. We can't be in the world. We, all in this channel, are a community of brethren, also. --Br. Jerry
Lenny_Bratcher - The tares are bound into bundles to burn, the wheat into sheaves, thus companies are knit together in unity of faith, I think.
EliYah - I was referring to a community like qumran
Qumran_Bet - Oh, absolutley, Br. Lenny, Yes! --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - It helps to be in a community like Qumran.
Qumran_Bet - --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - For example, I am not around the cursing I was exposed to at work. --Br.Clif
EliYah - It is easier when among brethren
Qumran_Bet - We are eating food that we grow, drinking clean water. --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - We have the freedom to obey commands that would be difficult to obey living in the world. --Br. Clif
EliYah - Such as?
Qumran_Bet - Who was it that went to Sodom and Gomorrah? Was it right for them to continue to live in that place? Or were they advised to leave and not look back?
Qumran_Bet - --Br. Jerry
EliYah - That reminds me of a verse..
Lenny_Bratcher - Even animals have the sense to gather with like kind for protection.
EliYah - +luk 21 36
`Watchman - Luke 21:36 - Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
YermeYah - Luke 21:36 - Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Qumran_Bet - If YHWH won't destroy this world, then He will owe Sodom and Amorah an apology.
Qumran_Bet - --Br. Clif
Qumran_Bet - Such as?
EliYah - +rev 3 10
`Watchman - Revelations 3:10 - "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Qumran_Bet - Such as wearing tzit-tziyot(tassels)... --Br. Clif
EliYah - yes
Lenny_Bratcher - The 144,000 when sealed shine 10 times brighter for the darkness.
Qumran_Bet - Praise YaH! --Br. clif
Qumran_Bet - --oops, Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - It is the contrast that makes us show up so wonderfully? --Br. Jerry
Strae - what contrast?
Lenny_Bratcher - "Jets of Light"
Qumran_Bet - Between good and evil.
Qumran_Bet - --Br. Jerry
Strae - OK
Qumran_Bet - You don't see jets of light with the sunshine behind it. --Br. Jerry
Strae - no
Qumran_Bet - If we can witness, if this illumination(contrast), can lead the true of heart out of her/Babylon, so much the better. --Br. Jerry
Strae - OK
Lenny_Bratcher - "Let your Light so shine"
Strae - HOW?
EliYah - +mat 5 14 15
`Watchman - Matthew 5:14 - Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
`Watchman - Matthew 5:15 - Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Qumran_Bet - "Let you light so shine among men, that they may see your good works and
glorify your Father in Heaven." --Sis. Juanita
Qumran_Bet - On the same sheet of music, I guess. --Br. Clif
EliYah - Thanks for the next verse Juanita :)
Strae - What does that mean in real life?
Qumran_Bet - Isn't this wonderful evidence of the Ruach HaKodesh? --Br. Jerry
EliYah - Those who walk in righteousness are like a light in a world of darkness and evil
Lenny_Bratcher - Exemplary Living
Qumran_Bet - Only the true of heart will be led out of Babylon, Strae. --Br. Jerry
Strae - What is "Exemplary"?
Qumran_Bet - This is real life! --Br. Clif
Qumran_Bet - Living that is an Example unto mankind. --Br. Clif
Lenny_Bratcher - Example, illustration by example
Qumran_Bet - Being Lawful, Righteousness, showing love, being just. --Br. Jerry
Strae - OK
EliYah - That is the way of Life
Strae - How do I show Love?
Qumran_Bet - By following the Messiah's teaching to do unto others as you would want them to do unto you. --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - In essence, Be nice. --Br. Clif
Strae - OK
EliYah - +mat 7 12
`Watchman - Matthew 7:12 - Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do
to
you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Qumran_Bet - There is a time to up-build, and a time to admonish. --Br. Jerry
EliYah - Love your neighbor as yourself
Qumran_Bet - +mat 7 13
`Watchman - Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Qumran_Bet - Narrow gate...
Qumran_Bet - The Torah and the Prophets is the narrow gate. --Br. Clif to life --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - The Torah=Law of Moses.
Qumran_Bet - =Law of Moses=Law of YHWH. --Br. Clif
Strae - I was wondering who I was talking to --- now I know
Strae - I am also a sabbath keeper
Qumran_Bet - Praise YaH! --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - Where do you live, abouts? --Br. Jerry
Strae - Yakama, Washinton
Qumran_Bet - Mmmm, apples!
Strae - I'm spoiled, I only eat them off the tree!!
Strae - Where are you gentlemen from
EliYah - ohio
Qumran_Bet - Northern Arkansas is where we are, now.
Qumran_Bet - --Jerry and Juanita
Qumran_Bet - I am from FL -- Br. Clif
Qumran_Bet - but in Arkansas, now. --Br. Clif
Lenny_Bratcher - In South Carolina, planning to move to Orlando, Florida
Qumran_Bet - Jerry stepped out to save the chickens from the pit viper.
Qumran_Bet - --Br. Clif
Strae - so were just all over the place
Qumran_Bet - Where in SC, Lenny?
Strae - so lets get back to the disscussion!!
Qumran_Bet - : )
Qumran_Bet - Strae obviously isn't "stray". --Br. Clif
EliYah - +mat 7 14
`Watchman - Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
EliYah - Few find it...let alone walk in it!
Strae - "Strae" because I seem to move arround a lot
Qumran_Bet - It is open to those who KEEP ON knocking. --Br. Jerry (continuing action is implied in the Greek) --Br. Clif
EliYah - If we are on a path that everyone else is on, then we can't be on a path that 'few find' :)
Qumran_Bet - Where are you from originally? --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - HalleluYaH, Eliyah, you are right! --Sis. Juanita
Strae - Qumrman_Bet, born in Auburn, Washinton -- but have been all over the USA
Qumran_Bet - +psalms 119:10
`Watchman - Psalms 119:10 - With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
Qumran_Bet - Psalms 119:10 - With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not [stray] from thy commandments.
Qumran_Bet - --NIV
Qumran_Bet - --Br. Clif
Qumran_Bet - Br. Clif's Notes
Strae - You seem to have alot of answers, Why would you consider living in a commune, when Jesus didn't?
Qumran_Bet - Maybe not all his life, but he may have at other times.
Qumran_Bet - He spent an awful lot of time with the twelve. That was a community of sorts. --Qumran Bet
Strae - Yes for a purpose, not as a life style!
Qumran_Bet - Jesus never lived, period, except in the post-apostate collective Christian imagination...
Strae - You are saying that life would be easyer to live with believers
Qumran_Bet - We are here for a purpose. --Br. Jerry not a lifestyle --Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - That is how he walked...
Qumran_Bet - --J&J
Qumran_Bet - Are we not to walk after His example? --J&J
Strae - Yes
Strae - associate with pharacies and publicans!
Qumran_Bet - Jesus never lived...
Qumran_Bet - So do we...
Strae - OK
Qumran_Bet - Serial marriers...
Qumran_Bet - YaHUshua lived...
Strae - So -- Jesus never lived...?
Qumran_Bet - Jesus is a figment of Churchianity's imagination...
Qumran_Bet - --Br. Clif
Strae - OK I don't get the differance
Qumran_Bet - Jesus is a Greek uniter...
Qumran_Bet - Y'shua is a Hebrew divider. --Br. Jerry
YermeYah - +acts 4 12
Strae - Who is YaHUshua?
EliYah - Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
`Watchman - Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Qumran_Bet - (2 times for emphasis) --Br. Clif
Strae - Wish I knew Hebrew
Qumran_Bet - Neither is there salvation(Heb: y'shuah) in any other... --Br. Clif
EliYah - Yahushua is the name of the Messiah...the name Jesus was a invention of men
Qumran_Bet - You don't need to know Hebrew to say His Name correctly...
Qumran_Bet - I can say German names correctly with a little practice, but I don't know German. --Br. Clif
Qumran_Bet - Do you know the Father's Name, Strae? --Br. Jerry
Strae - Qumrun_Bet, would love to understand Hebrew to read from the original scriputure for better understanding
Qumran_Bet - So would we. We do a little, but not much. --Qumran Bet We are learning... --Qumran Bet
YermeYah - You can get an interlinear
Strae - You all Understand this just a little different than I do
YermeYah - It has the English under each Hebrew word
Strae - but we are probably headed in the same dirrection
Qumran_Bet - Interlinears are awesome! Would love to have an Interlinear of the Dead Sea Scrolls! --Br. Clif
EliYah - yes
EliYah - A readable one
Qumran_Bet - If you have forsaken all things for Him and the truth that He represents, then we are... --Br. Clif
Qumran_Bet - --oops, Br. Jerry
Qumran_Bet - Br. Clif=typist for Qumran_Bet
Qumran_Bet - (has to see a shrink just to get the trinity put all back in one, again) --Br. clif
Qumran_Bet - Br. Clif takes credit for everything. --sis. Juanita
EliYah - Well brethren, shall we bring this meeting to a close?
Qumran_Bet - Yes. : )
EliYah - Br. Clif, would you like to offer prayer?
Qumran_Bet - Brother Strae, it was good that you were here. Please come back. --Qumran Bet
Qumran_Bet - Sure.
Strae - I'll try
Strae - Ya all goin now?
Qumran_Bet - Dear Father in Heaven, YHWH, we seek to glorify your Name. We long for your coming Kingdom...
Qumran_Bet - so that your will may be done, here on earth, just as it is in Heaven...
Qumran_Bet - Please protect us from the paths of temptation...
Qumran_Bet - and deliver us from evil...
Qumran_Bet - Please forgive us the sins that we commit, as we forgive those who sin against us...
Qumran_Bet - We are grateful unto you for providing us the food that we need to live daily...
Qumran_Bet - And we trust that you will provide tomorrow's necessities, also...
Qumran_Bet - We know that there are many who are starving in this world, living under the oppressive, apathetic worldly governments under the influence and control of HaSatan...
Qumran_Bet - In this mind, we thank you what you give to us...
Qumran_Bet - May you bless us with the Ruach as you bless believers in those lands...
Qumran_Bet - In the Name of YaHUshua the Anointed One, Ahmeyn!
EliYah - Let it be so, HalleluYah :)
YermeYah - HalleluYAH
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