Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 12/26/97
Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 12/26/97
EliYah YermeYah, would you open the meeting with a prayer to Yahweh?
YermeYah HalleluYAH
YermeYah Thank You Abba YAHWEH for this gathering here tonight on this your Sabbath Day...
YermeYah In the name of Yahshua ha Mashiach we come here to worship and praise You and to learn of Your Word...
YermeYah Please grant to us a circumcised heart and help us to grow in the Ruach and to show forth the fruits of righteousness...
YermeYah We also ask for wisdom and understanding, so that we can have discernment...
YermeYah Help us to trust you Abba with all our heart and to not lean on our own understanding...
YermeYah We ask that we can learn to truly fear You and to also accept your discipline as obedient children so that we can walk the straight and narrow path that leads to life...
YermeYah We pray a special supplcation for any of your people who have special needs, for any who are sick or those who have any other type of needs or who are suffering...
YermeYah We are so very thanful for all that you have done for us Abba, and most of all we thank you for Yahshua and His precious blood and we ask that we can be found worthy to be covered over with it and be granted eternal life...
YermeYah In the name of Yahshua ha Mashiach we do all these things...
YermeYah HalleluYAH
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EliYah So let it be...HalleluYah! :)
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Br_Greg HalleluYah! \o/\o/\o/
Berean Halal Yahh!
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Tom_n_Cathy \o/ HalleluYah
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EliYah HalleluYah :) Tonite I would like to talk about a certain chapter in the scriptures....
EliYah In this chapter there are alot of varying viewpoints..
EliYah I struggled with this chapter for quite some time
EliYah But I think that Yahweh is merciful
EliYah And I believe that what I am about to share is from Him..
EliYah however, I am open to correction..
EliYah Nevertheless, what I would like to talk about is Romans 14
EliYah It seems to me that the whole question in this chapter is 'Who is the weak brother?'
EliYah Romans 14:1 - Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
EliYah Here we are told to receive one who is weak in the faith.
EliYah For centuries, mainstream christianity has taught that this 'weak brother' is one who is still hanging onto so called "ceremonial" commandments in the law of Yahweh such as Sabbath observance and refraining from eating unclean animals as outlined in the 15th chapter of Leviticus.
EliYah However, if this were the case, we would need to classify Peter/Kepha as one who is 'weak in faith'!
EliYah When Yahweh gave him a vision in Acts chapter 10, Kepha said "I have I never eaten anything common or unclean."
EliYah This was many years after Yahshua's resurrection. So was Kepha a weak brother?
EliYah Did Kepha lack faith?
EliYah I think not. Look at Kepha here:
EliYah Acts 3:6 - Then Kepha said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of YAHSHUA the Messiah of Nazareth rise up and walk.
EliYah Acts 3:7 - And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ancle bones received strength.
EliYah Hardly a man lacking faith! It was through faith that this man was healed. (see verse 16).
EliYah Consider also Paul himself would have to be classified as 'weak in faith' if this were the proper interpretation. For His custom was to observe the Sabbath:
EliYah Acts 17:2 - And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
EliYah It can be shown that the disciples all kept the Sabbath 83 times in the New Testament. Were they all weak in faith also?
EliYah I think not
EliYah I am convinced that what is being talked about in Romans 14 could not about the eating of pork and other unclean foods.
EliYah I believe that the situation in Rome has to do with meat offered to idols.
EliYah However, this is not evident just by looking at the first verses of Romans.
EliYah We must read through the whole chapter before we really get an understanding of what is being talked about here.
EliYah So please have an open mind through this study and toward the end I think you may begin to see why this is evident
EliYah But before we get any furthur into Romans, let us examine the situation in Corinth as a backdrop to our study:
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EliYah 1Corinthians 10:25 - Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
EliYah 1Corinthians 10:26 - For the earth is YAHWEH's, and the fulness thereof.
EliYah So the reasoning for Paul's stance is that all animals belong to Yahweh.
EliYah Truly the earth and all the animals that dwell therein does belong to Yahweh.
EliYah If we with a pure heart are eating the meat of an animal that Yahweh has not forbidden us to eat then surely there is no sin in that.
EliYah The problem was that the believers in Corinth and also in Rome were surrounded by paganism.
EliYah 1Corinthians 10:27 - If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
EliYah This phrase 'eat what is set before you' is not a new one.
EliYah Yahshua used it when sending out the seventy:
EliYah Luke 10:8 - And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
EliYah Continuing in 1 Corinthians:
EliYah 1Corinthians 10:28 - But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is YAHWEH's, and the fulness thereof:
EliYah 1Corinthians 10:29 - Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
EliYah How can this scripture ('the earth is Yahweh's and all its fullness') be quoted to support both of these views?
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EliYah Because if one were to tell you that this meat is from an animal sacrificed unto a false idol, the person who told you this may think that you don't acknowledge that the earth is Yahweh's and all its fullness. (when you eat it)
EliYah Rather they may think that you believe the earth was not created by Yahweh.
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EliYah Knowing that all things were created by Yahweh is the key to proving that all the idols are worthless because Yahweh truly has made all things.
EliYah 1Corinthians 10:30 - For if I by favor be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
EliYah If we are giving thanks to Yahweh for our food, which He has created, we are acknowledging it was He who has given us these things.
EliYah 1Corinthians 10:31 - Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of YAHWEH.
EliYah I believe that is the whole point of what is being said to those in Corinth. Even though they do not recognize that an idol is anything, we do want to eat anything that might cause Yahweh to be looked upon with a lesser degree of glory/honor
EliYah For truly the earth is Yahweh's!
EliYah Let's look at another place in 1 Corinthians where Paul originally introduced the subject:
EliYah Colossians 8:1 -
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:1 - Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but love edifieth.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:2 - And if any man think that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:3 - But if any man love YAHWEH, the same is known of him.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:4 - As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other Elohim but one.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:5 - For though there be that are called mighty ones, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be mighty ones many, and masters many,)
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:6 - But to us there is but one Elohim, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Master YAHSHUA the Messiah, by whom are all things, and we by him.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:7 - Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
EliYah So here is an example of a weak brother.
EliYah This particular weak brother can not help but to think of the idol as he eats the meat that might have been sacrificed to an idol.
EliYah He even eats it as a thing offered to an idol.
EliYah Other believers, who have attained more knowledge and faith, understand that an idol is nothing.
EliYah They eat with the knowledge that Yahweh has created this food which He is receiving....they could care less whether or not it was an animal offered to an idol...Because all animals are Yahweh's...not for an idol
EliYah If I eat a hamburger, I don't know whether someone might have offered it to an idol and I don't care
EliYah It is Yahweh's animal
EliYah However
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:8 - But food commendeth us not to YAHWEH: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:9 - But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:10 - For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:11 - And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom the Messiah died?
EliYah Apparently there were some who were so bold about it, they would even go into an idol's temple and eat the meat. This is flatly condemned here.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:12 - But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against the Messiah.
EliYah Yahshua said that what we do to the least of the brethren we do unto Him.
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:13 - Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
EliYah So here we see an example of a weaker brother in the city of Corinth.
EliYah I am convinced that we have a similar situation in the city of Rome.
EliYah However, the believers in Rome are more knowledgable about Yahweh than those in Corinth.
EliYah It is very obvious that those in Corinth had some major sin to deal with.
EliYah 1Corinthians 15:34 - Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of Elohim: I speak this to your shame.
EliYah But those in Rome the scripture says...
EliYah Romans 15:14 - And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.
EliYah By this, we could conclude that what we see in Rome is a more advanced situation than the one in Corinth. Now lets get back to the situation in Romans...
EliYah Here is verse 1 again:
EliYah Romans 14:1 - Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
EliYah So again here in Romans we are dealing with a weak brother.
EliYah This is much like the situation in 1 Corinthians chapter 8.
EliYah So Let we can see that in both the Corinthian and Roman assemblies the common thread was dealing with those who are weak.
EliYah Part of the problem is that we are dealing with something that both Paul and the Roman assembly are aware of but we are left to figure out what it is.
EliYah It is much like listening to one side of a phone conversation.
EliYah But keep in mind that this is among the 'doubtful things', so it must not be an issue of whether or not to obey a commandment of Yahweh. But let's read on before we conclude anything..
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EliYah Romans 14:2 - For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
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EliYah Here is a very key verse. Clearly it is talking about vegetarianism.
EliYah The weak person is the one eating vegetables. The question is why is this person considered weak??
EliYah Well, remember that we saw a similar situation with a 'weak' brother in the Corinthian assembly.
EliYah This persons faith was hindered by his temptation to follow an idol.
EliYah Therefore his faith was weak
EliYah But this is a more advanced situation in Rome. Brothers have taken more of a stance on both sides of the issue.
EliYah Romans 14:3 - Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for YAHWEH hath received him.
EliYah Romans 14:4 - Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for YAHWEH is able to make him stand.
EliYah Based on context of this chapter, I believe that what we see here is that some would not eat meat at all for fear that it might have been offered to an idol.
EliYah Others believed that since an idol was nothing, they would not ask any questions when buying meat.
EliYah Keep in mind that in Rome there were over 1 million people and 400 pagan temples in that city!
EliYah This is not unlike the Corinth with its many pagan temples and about a half million people.
EliYah So it seems that what is being said here is that they should not judge one another based on this issue.
EliYah The Roman assembly apparently had a division on this.
EliYah Those who did not questions when eating the meat were condemned by those who refused to eat anything (for fear it might have been offered to an idol.) This passage refers to the latter as the 'one who is weak'.
EliYah continuing..
EliYah Romans 14:5 - One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
EliYah Romans 14:6 - He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto YAHWEH; and he that regardeth not the day, to YAHWEH he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to YAHWEH, for he giveth YAHWEH thanks; and he that eateth not, to YAHWEH he eateth not, and giveth YAHWEH thanks.
EliYah There are various theories on this these 2 verses.
EliYah One theory states that this is talking about the Sabbath.
EliYah There are several reasons why I believe that this is not so. They are:
EliYah 1) This stance does not agree with other scriptures that uphold the Sabbath.
EliYah 2) There is no mention of the Sabbath in this chapter.
EliYah 3) It isn't man who makes the Sabbath day above all other days. It is Yahweh who sanctified and blessed the 7th day at creation. We are just commanded to keep holy what Yahweh has sanctified.
EliYah 4) This chapter is about 'doubtful things'. Commandments of Yahweh are not doubtful things, especially when Yahweh writes them with His own finger.
EliYah I believe that this passage is talking about which day that one should fast.
EliYah This does have support in the text because the scripture says:
EliYah Romans 14:6 - He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto YAHWEH; and he that regardeth not the day, to YAHWEH he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to YAHWEH, for he giveth YAHWEH thanks; and he that eateth not, to YAHWEH he eateth not, and giveth YAHWEH thanks.
EliYah Also, one of the traditions of the Pharisees in that day was to fast twice a week:
EliYah Luke 18:11 - The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, Elohim, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
EliYah Luke 18:12 - I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
EliYah Also Yahshua expected that His disciples would fast:
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EliYah Luke 5:34 - And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
EliYah Luke 5:35 - But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
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EliYah I believe the context of this whole chapter proves out one common thred.
EliYah The whole chapter is talking about FOOD.
EliYah Romans 14:7 - For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
EliYah Romans 14:8 - For whether we live, we live unto YAHWEH; and whether we die, we die unto YAHWEH: whether we live therefore, or die, we are YAHWEH's.
EliYah Romans 14:9 - For to this end the Messiah both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Sovereign both of the dead and living.
EliYah Romans 14:10 - But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of the Messiah.
EliYah Romans 14:11 - For it is written, As I live, saith YAHWEH, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to YAHWEH.
EliYah Romans 14:12 - So then every one of us shall give account of himself to YAHWEH.
EliYah Romans 14:13 - Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
EliYah So the scripture does not condemn those who would not eat the meat. Not eating the meat is never condemned in 1 Corinthians either.
EliYah If it was condemned, it have caused that brother to stumble because those who had a consciousness of the idol would eat it "as a thing offered to idol" and their conscience, being weak, would be defiled.
EliYah Paul wanted those in Rome keep this in mind. What was condemned here in verse 13 was the attitude of the stronger brother toward the weaker one.
EliYah Romans 14:14 - I know, and am persuaded by the Saviour YAHSHUA , that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
EliYah Romans 14:15 - But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom the Messiah died.
EliYah How selfish for a person to trouble another just because He knows that an idol is nothing! But is food offered to an idol unclean?
EliYah The common teaching of the Jews in that day was a resounding 'yes'!
EliYah According to the Encyclopaedia Judaica under the heading "Purity" it says:
EliYah "In the case of idolatrous offerings the oral law is even stricter than the impurity of the idol itself and Judah b. Bava says that it conveys impurity by overshadowing, as does a corpse"
EliYah The teachings on the clean and unclean that were handed down to the Jews of this generation went FAR beyond what the word of Yahweh ever taught.
EliYah For an example of this, let's look at a situation that Yahshua ran into:
EliYah Luke 11:37 - And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat.
EliYah Luke 11:38 - And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.
EliYah Luke 11:39 - And YAHSHUA said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.
EliYah Luke 11:40 - Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
EliYah Luke 11:41 - But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
EliYah So Yahshua did not adhere to the teachings handed down from Shammai and Hillel that one must wash their hands before eating...
EliYah There is no such commandment in the word of Yahweh.
EliYah But to the Pharisees, the hand washings were of utmost importance!
EliYah They were quite particular not only in when to wash their hands, but even how.
EliYah There were ordinances that you had to wash up to the third joint of the finger with a certain measure of water, etc etc etc.
EliYah They focused so much on what might cause them to be impure, they forgot that Yahweh would rather have them focus on what IS pure.
EliYah Yahshua told them to 'give alms of such things as you have; then indeed all things are clean to you.' In other words, let your hearts and lives be full of compassion, and it will make you clean.
EliYah Purity comes from within! And so the scripture says:
EliYah Titus 1:15 - Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
EliYah and again:
EliYah James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before YAHWEH the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
EliYah and again:
EliYah Philippians 4:8 - Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
EliYah So in the eyes of one who has a pure heart before Yahweh, there is no such thing as another deity!
EliYah We all know that Yahweh is the only Mighty One.
EliYah We all know that Yahweh has sanctified in His word the animals that we can eat and does not forbid food us to eat them.
EliYah However, if what we do eat would not bring honor to Yahweh but would harm our brother who is weak in faith then surely that is not the will of Yahweh.
EliYah I can see how this thought permeates throughout Romans 14
EliYah Romans 14:16 - Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
EliYah Romans 14:17 - For the kingdom of YAHWEH is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
EliYah Romans 14:18 - For he that in these things serveth the Messiah is acceptable to YAHWEH, and approved of men.
EliYah Romans 14:19 - Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
EliYah Romans 14:20 - For meat destroy not the work of YAHWEH. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
EliYah Again the meat itself is pure. Whether or not it was offered to an idol doesn't make it common or unclean.
EliYah From the days of Noah up until Yahweh has made man to know the difference between the clean and the unclean.
EliYah If the scripture states that the animal was clean, then it was clean! He couldn't have been talking about unclean animals here
EliYah Romans 14:21 - It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
EliYah Now here is a very important verse. This is where Paul actually clarifies that he is talking about flesh offered to idols.
EliYah It is hidden from our eyes by translation but it is nonetheless there!
EliYah Let's look at the greek word that is translated "flesh" here...
EliYah BDB/Thayers # 2907
EliYah 2907 kreas {kreh'-as}
EliYah perhaps a primary word;; n n
EliYah AV - flesh 2; 2
EliYah 1) (the) flesh (of a sacrificed animal)
EliYah In fact it is this same word that is used in:
EliYah 1Corinthians 8:13 - Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
EliYah This is the only 2 places in the New Testament that it is used. In both cases the context was concerning meat offered idols!
EliYah Romans 14:22 - Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before YAHWEH. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
EliYah Romans 14:23 - And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
EliYah If a person has any doubts about the earth being Yahweh's and the fullness therein...and lack faith when eating the mean... then this person condemned if he eats.
EliYah mean = meat
EliYah This is exactly what was taught in 1 Corinthians 8 and 10
EliYah Therefore it seems very obvious to me that are alot of parallels between what is said in Romans 14 and what is said in 1 Corinthians.
EliYah Based on these things I believe it is safe to conclude that in both cases the scripture is talking about food offered to idols.
EliYah At no time during this chapter is it considered that 'liberty' a license to sin. Sin is transgression of the law.
EliYah If we eat things that Yahweh has commanded not to be eaten, we are not keeping the commandment of Yahweh.
EliYah Therefore we are transgressing the law and are sinning
EliYah We should know what sin is! Therefore it is sin to eat things that Yahweh has commanded us not to eat!
EliYah We can't throw out the whole of scripture that teaches against sin because of a one sided conversation in Romans!
EliYah There are many other passages that teach we should keep the commandments.
EliYah Here is one example in scripture that shows Yahweh's concern for people who eat unclean animals:
EliYah Isaiah 66:17 - They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith YAHWEH.
EliYah Please examine the context of this chapter. It is speaking of the end times...this has not occured yet!
EliYah So yes, Yahweh is still concerned that we do not eat things that are abominations to Him.
EliYah There are a few things in Yahweh's word that He considers to be an abomination. Eating the flesh of animals that He did not create us to eat is one of them.
EliYah May Yahweh bless you all :)!!
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Soar`n_Family-T Paise HIS NAME
EliYah ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸ Praise Yahweh! ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸
Soar`n_Family-T Praise HIS NAME too :)
IceDove :)
Hava thank you!
Tom_n_Cathy Questions?
EliYah If there are any questions or comments...yes
EliYah go ahead :)
Berean +1john 3 3
`Watchman 1John 3:3 - And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Tom_n_Cathy A minor comment - It is Lev 11 that talks about foods not Lev 15.
EliYah oops...thanks :)
Br_Greg Thank You Father! Tov msg. :)
IceDove which food? is forbidden
EliYah It is listed there in Lev. 11 achoti :)
Qumran_Bet May the Light grow brighter... --Br. J
Tom_n_Cathy Q. - In Acts 15:20 and 29 Paul hears that they are not to eat the food offered to idols.
Tom_n_Cathy Why does he now go against that?
YermeYah Acts 15:20 - But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
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YermeYah Acts 15:29 - That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
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EliYah For the reasons that he listed in 1Cor and Romans...
Hava thought I might mention an incident of a "weaker brother"...my son told a neighbor boy this year that he didn't want any of his Halloween candy because it was offered to idols! ;-)
EliYah Also, these offerings were polluted
Br_Greg HalleluYah! \o/\o/\o/
Tom_n_Cathy Does Paul have authority over the Elders?
Qumran_Bet May we all be as weak. :)
EliYah No, he went to them in Acts 15
EliYah to settle matters
EliYah Are there are any questions or comments...?
Tom_n_Cathy Yes
EliYah ok :)
Berean +ezekiel 44 23
`Watchman Ezekiel 44:23 - And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
Tom_n_Cathy Was the use of 'unclean' in Rom 14:14
Soar`n_Family-T Shalom My Bro's and Sisters :)) May YHWH richly bless you all...Shabbat Shalom :))
EliYah Shabbat Shalom Soar`n :)
Soar`n_Family-T We love you all (tamar, terri, and Soar`n :)
Tom_n_Cathy an unfortunate choice of words by Paul or the translators?
EliYah Actually the word is 'common'
Br_Greg SHalom Soar'n & Fam :)
EliYah as in 'ordinary'
Tom_n_Cathy Would 'religiously defiled' have been more on the mark?
Berean Shabbat Shalom Soar'n & Family
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EliYah I am not 100% positive, but it does appear that something that was 'common' had a greater degree of purity than something unclean
Tom_n_Cathy Thanks :0
EliYah This is based on the different uses of this word 'common'
Tom_n_Cathy :)
EliYah I've thought it could be referring to the extra laws that the Jews added
EliYah They were really big on staying away from 'common' things
EliYah The greek uses seem to indicate this
EliYah :)
EliYah Are there are any questions or comments...?
Tom_n_Cathy Lk 16:15
Qumran_Bet Yes,
EliYah Luke 16:15 - And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but YAHWEH knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of YAHWEH.
Qumran_Bet Praise YHWH that we have this place to assemble on the Net.
EliYah Praise YAHWEH !!
Berean HalleluYah!! \o/
Br_Greg I second that notion QB :)
Br_Greg HalleluYah! \o/\o/\o/
Berean I'll third it!
Tom_n_Cathy HalleluYah \o/ \o/ \o/
Br_Greg Thank You Father! Tov msg. :)
Hava Amen!
bblman \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
bblman says goodnight to everyone on the channel!
bblman oops
bblman nope
Qumran_Bet May the Rauch HaKodesh lead us into all truth... --Br. J
YermeYah YAHWEH bless bblman
bblman not leaving, just the wrong button
Br_Greg g-nite bbl :) YHWH Bless you
Qumran_Bet Help us remember that He came to separate as a sword...
EliYah I think bblman didn't mean to say that
Qumran_Bet two-edged, even.
Qumran_Bet --Br. J
Berean :o)
bblman \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
Br_Greg lol
bblman asks, ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?
bblman another button real close
bblman \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
Hava I'm having fun, even if I can't keep up!
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Br_Greg HalleluYah! :) \o/\o/\o/
EliYah HalleluYah, are there any other questions or comments?
Berean +2cor 6 17
`Watchman 2Corinthians 6:17 - "Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate," says YAHWEH. "And do not touch what is unclean; and I will welcome you.
bblman Praising Yahweh should be fun
EliYah I like what is said next.. in 1cor :)
Tom_n_Cathy It IS FUN!
EliYah 2Corinthians 6:17 - "Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate," says YAHWEH. "And do not touch what is unclean; and I will welcome you.
EliYah 2Corinthians 6:18 - "And I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me," says YAHWEH Almighty.
Br_Greg +pro 15 13
`Watchman Proverbs 15:13 - A merry heart maketh a cheerful countenance: but by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.
Berean yes :o)
EliYah 2Corinthians 7:1 - Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of YAHWEH.
EliYah cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit,
Qumran_Bet Is Elisheba here?
Berean +2cor 7 1
`Watchman 2Corinthians 7:1 - Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of YAHWEH.
Br_Greg wb Elisheba & Shalom :)
Br_Greg +pro 15 15
`Watchman Proverbs 15:15 - All the days of the afflicted are evil: but he that is of a merry heart hath a continual feast.
EliYah So there remain commandments dealing with physical uncleanness
Br_Greg +pro 17 22
EliYah according to 2cor 7 1
`Watchman Proverbs 17:22 - A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.
EliYah Are there any other questions or comments?
Berean +prov 16 2
`Watchman Proverbs 16:2 - All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but YAHWEH weigheth the spirits.
EliYah Yes
Elisheba shalom everyone Yahweh bless you all
Tom_n_Cathy Shalom!
Berean so, we should define cleanliness...by Yahweh's word
Br_Greg Shalom
EliYah Yes Berean :)
Tom_n_Cathy Thanks for the blessing.
bblman {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Elisheba }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
YermeYah Shalom Elisheba
Berean Shabbat Shalom Elisheba
bblman Shalom Elisheba
EliYah For those who don't know, Elisheba is my wife and partner in Yahshua :)
Tom_n_Cathy I value your (all of you) blessings very highly.
Qumran_Bet Shabbat Shalom, Sis. Elisheba --Qumran_Bet
EliYah Are there any other questions or comments?
EliYah Any prayer requests?
Berean for those who have not the fellowship that we have been blessed with
Tom_n_Cathy Please pray for our daughter Cindy who will be driving back from Rocheport Mo in a few days.
Hava I request we lift up our brethren in sothern mexico since the massacre. I gew up there as a missionary kid
Br_Greg Please Pray for my Faith to be strengthened and for all the Saints around the world :)
Tom_n_Cathy Wisdom, peace and strength for Yahweh's Elders and their wives.
EliYah ok, got them all :) Any more prayer requests?
Elisheba Yes
Elisheba Pray for all our brothers and sisters in Yahweh Who are in prisons and are being severly persucated right now that they are able to stand and Yahweh strenghten them
EliYah Certainly
EliYah We are blessed in our country
Tom_n_Cathy Prison is a hard road without extra persecution.
EliYah Yes
Elisheba and torture
Elisheba but many of the third world countries are cruel
EliYah ok, any more prayer requests?
Qumran_Bet www.persecution.com
Elisheba never know we may be net pray Yah we can stand in that day.
Elisheba net = next
Br_Greg Yes Sis \o/
EliYah Let us be in an attitude of prayer..
EliYah Heavenly Father YAHWEH...
EliYah We thank you so much that once again we can be here together..
EliYah Thank you for your mercy and kindness
EliYah Kodesh is Your name above all things..
EliYah We thank you for your word ...help us to hide your word in our hearts..
EliYah so that we might not sin against You..
EliYah Help us to walk in your path that leads to eternal life..
EliYah And tonite we pray for those brothers and sisters out there who cannot share in this blessing
EliYah Our hearts ache for them because we know how lonely it can be..
EliYah We ask that you would send them comfort and strength...
EliYah Let it be that they find others of like mind to fellowship with..
EliYah So that they may all exalt Your name together..
EliYah We pray also for the elders in Yahshua
EliYah and their wives..
EliYah Let the spirit of truth reveal to them Your ways...
EliYah And may they walk in them and share them with all
EliYah Help them to be great examples for all
EliYah So that Your name would be magnified!
EliYah We pray also for those brothers and sisters suffering persecution..
EliYah such as those in southern Mexico..
EliYah We pray that they are able to stand..
EliYah And we ask that you strengthen them by Your Spirit
EliYah Help them to know Your rewards for them
EliYah We pray also for Tom and Cathy's Daughter Cindy..
EliYah That you would bless her and keep her safe on her trip back from Rocheport..
EliYah And wherever she may go
EliYah HalleluYah our Father for all the many blessings you have given us..
EliYah Help us to not worry about our own needs...but attend to the needs of others
EliYah Help us to be like Yahshua
EliYah so unselfish...so righteous
EliYah We ask that you would forgive our sins..
EliYah as we forgive those who have sinned against us
EliYah May Your Kingdom come
EliYah And may Your will be done on earth....as in Heaven
EliYah For truly Yours is the kingdom and power and majesty, honor, strength and all holiness forever and ever..
EliYah In Yahshua's name we pray..
EliYah So let it be, HalleluYah!
Tom_n_Cathy HalleluYah! HalleluYah! \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
Br_Greg HalleluYAH!!! \o/\o/\o/ THE KING IS COMING!!! \O/\O/\O/ HalleluYAH!!!
bblman \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
YermeYah HalleluYAH
Berean Amein Halal Yahh! \o/ \o/ \O/
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`Watchman The Sabbath meeting is now over. Feel free to stay for some fellowship and friendly scripture discussion :)
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