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Jose Cadena

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posted 01-02-1999 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jose Cadena   Click Here to Email Jose Cadena     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
From Josť Cadena to all those who love the truth.

As exact are recorded in the New Testament the consummation of those things written in Old Testament that the enemies of the Christian always thought that was a macro plan prepared for secret and powerful societies. I cite only two the high precision of the Old Testament recorded only in the New Testament:

Genesis

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3:15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel

Only The New Testament describe how his heel was bruised .The following image speak by itself:

http://www.uncc.edu/jdtabor/crucifixion.html

Old Testament (Leviticus):

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5: And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
7: And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
8: And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
9: And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
10: But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

26: And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp.


Only the New Testament described these two goats:

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15: Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.

16: And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
17: Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
18: For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.
20: But the chief priest and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
21: The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
22: Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
23: And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24: When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25: Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
26: Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.
27: Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.



In these 2.000 thousand years many scholars and evil people have arisen against the New Testament; but still the New Testament is doing its job, while enemy after enemy are shame (Luk 10:21). But again, new ones arise and hit themselves against the hard rock of the Church (on this Rock I should found my Church).
Many wises and scholars affirmed that Jesus didn't exist, and that the Christians were a religion created by the Catholic Organization. However, non Christians writers near the life time of Jesus wrote about him and his Christian followers:

http://ccel.wheaton.edu/j/josephus/JOSEPHUS.HTM

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Josephus
Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others,

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

Interesting: many scholar have doubted of the second paragraph, but not of the first one.

http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/annals.11.xv.html

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Tacitus (98-117)
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/fld/CLASSICS/suet.nero.html
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Suetonius
Multa sub eo et animadversa severe et coercita nec minus instituta: adhibitus sumptibus modus; publicae cenae ad sportulas redactae; interdictum ne quid in propinis cocti praeter legumina aut holera veniret, cum antea nullum non obsonii genus proponeretur; afflicti suppliciis Christiani, genus hominum superstitionis novae ac maleficae; vetiti quadrigariorum lusus, quibus inveterata licentia passim vagantibus fallere ac furari per iocum ius erat; pantomimorum factiones cum ipsis simul relegatae.

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/texts/pliny.html

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Pliny the Younger (111-113)
Soon accusations spread, as usually happens, because of the proceedings going on, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was published containing the names of many persons. Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ--none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do--these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.

And some others:

http://www.webcom.com/~ctt/jrthal.html
http://www.ch-of-christ.beaverton.or.us/JESUSPRO.htm http://www.mindspring.com/~robertcjones/histjesu/histcont.htm
http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/extrabiblical.htm
http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/glimpses/justinone.html

The archaeology findings show that the facts described in New Testament were real:

http://www.mindspring.com/~robertcjones/histjesu/histcont.htm
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/1887/evidences8.html
http://ccel.wheaton.edu/contrib/exec_outlines/ca/ca_05.htm
http://marauder.millersv.edu/~tctirado/papers/time-2.html


Historical Evidence - Contemporary Rabbinical References Jesus was also mentioned in the writings of the early rabbis. Most Rabbinical references to Jesus were hostile, but they prove that Jesus was viewed as an historical personage in the place and time period that the Gospels indicate.

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Sample references:
"It has been taught: On the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu. And an announcer went out, in front of him, for forty days (saying): 'He is going to be stoned, because he practiced sorcery and enticed and led Israel astray. Anyone who knows anything in his favor, let him come and plead in his behalf.' But, not having found anything in his favor, they
hanged [crucified, see Gal 3:13] him on the eve of Passover." (from Sanhedrin 43a)

"Would you believe that any defense would have been so zealously sought for him? He was a deceiver, and the All-merciful says: 'You shall not spare him, neither shall you conceal him'. It was different with Jesus,
for he was near to the kingship." (from a third-century commentary on
the proceeding passage)

"Our rabbis taught: Yeshu had five disciples - Mattai, Nakkai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah." (from Sanhedrin 43a)
Quoted from McDowell, p. 64/65)



NONE CONTEMPORARY TESTIMONY CALL HIM YAHSHUA BUT YESHU / JESUS!! as proof against those that change the name of Jesus to any invent that please them. Compare this name with the one that appears in Genesis 36:18
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Ve'eleh benei Aholivamah eshet Esav aluf Ye'ush[b] aluf Yalam aluf Korach eleh alufey Aholivamah bat-Anah eshet Esav.
And these were the sons of Aholivamah, Esav's wife: Chief [b]Ye'ush
, Chief Yalam, and Chief Korach. These were the chiefs who descended from Aholivamah, Esav's wife, the daughter of Anah.

And with the words of Roi Garcia:

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July 30-1998
The name of G-d consists of four Hebrew letters, Yud, heh vav, heh.
The Jewish sages used the vowels of Elohim in order to get the closest manner in which we pronounce His name. The first breath a child takes when he takes in breath of life comes close to the pronunciation of His name. During the Feast of Sukkot, thousands of pilgrims wave the lulav in unison... the sound it gives comes close to the sound of His Name.

The Jewish sages say that we will know the true sound of His name when the fourth letter shin is introduced. This fourth letter shein is on the Tefillian that is placed on the four heads of the Jewish man during prayer.

If you are familiar with the letter Shein on Jerusalem, see Hebrew Roots notes, the fourth letter shein will form when Messiah places His foot on Mt Olives


Roi Garcia and the sages of Jerusalem are talking of JESUS.

A Great Historian's Recommendation
http://www.scripturessay.com/cev3.html

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The testimony of Sir William Ramsay is very applicable just here. During the greater part of his life, Sir William was professor of Humanity at the University of Aberdeen in Scotland. He became acknowledged as a historian and an outstanding authority on the life of Paul and of the history of the early church, and he carried on extensive archaeological research in Asiatic Turkey and the Bible lands. His defense of the historical Jesus as the son of God is particularly convincing when we consider that Ramsay did not begin researching with the same conviction that he later acquired through his research. Ramsay's archaelolgical studies drove him to have confidence in the New Testament. W. Ward Gasque, in an excellent little biography of this truly great scholar, stated: "It is of great significance that Sir William Ramsay came to the study of the New Testament as a Roman historian rather than as a theologian."36 Indeed, this was significant inasmuch as Ramsay had earlier held the liberal view of the modernistic Tubigen school that the book of Acts was a second-century production. But his archaeological findings convinced him of the total reliability of that book. He wrote of the matter in the following way:

36. Sir William Ramsay, Archaeologist and New Testament Scholar, p. 28.

I may fairly claim to have entered on this investigation without any prejudice in favor of the conclusion which I shall now attempt to justify to the reader. On the contrary, I began with a mind unfavorable to it, for the ingenuity and apparent completeness of the Tubigen theory had at one time convinced me. It did not lie in my line of life to investigate the subject minutely; but more recently I found myself often brought in contact with the book of Acts as an authority for the topography, antiquities, and society of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne in upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth. 37

In another book, Ramsay said that "Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness."38 In still another book reporting New Testament reliability resulting from his archaeological research, he wrote, "Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy; he is possessed of the true historic sense . . . this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians."39

Ramsay's faith spread to the whole of the New Testament due to the overwhelming evidence which he found in its behalf.

37. Ramsey, Paul the Traveler and Roman Citizen, pp. 7,8.
38. Ramsey, Luke the Physician, p. 177.
39. Ramsay, The Bearing of Recent Discovery on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament, p. 222.


UPDATED ALL THE TIME
Years before many scholar made all kinds of jokes about the book of Revelations, things such as: John was drugged, hunger or loco. For many children today Revelation 11 is not hard to understand, since through satellite and Internet most of these things are normal today. Revelation 17 is not hard to understand since most people know how the Roman Organization is present in all government of the world and how the globalization shall bring a world ruler. Can anybody deny the culture of beasts that has been promoted through comics, movies, T.V, and the media (Rev 13). Today most of us know that atmosphere is getting warmer (Revelation 16:8,9). Nobody doubts that divorces, family breaking and the "humanism" increase each day (Matthew 24:36,37, 1 Timot 3:1-7).

Even the enemies of real Christians know that when a person sincerely accepts Jesus his personality, behave and feelings change from evil to good (John 3). The real Christian is detected by his/her view (Matthew 6:22; 20:33) and acts (James 2:14+). The bad jews (Acts 4:13; 21:27) or bad gentiles (Matthew 24:9) have couldn't stop the preaching of the gospel (Matthew 24:14; 14:6). Jews of good feeling accept Jesus Christ (Revelation 7) but the evil Jews are inventing things against him (Revelation 2:9)

THE HUMANAND CIVIL RIGHTS DECLARED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
Many Jews family sacrificed and killed their children to the demons, so did others nations. The fathers could abandon their children or sell them, or offered them for sex abuses. Jesuchrist gave to the children the highest human position (Matthew 18;21 :6;9:37). Men could make with woman very bad things. In most country the women were buried alive after the death of their husband. Most of the time they were offered to some visitant friend for pleasure. Christ, the apostles and the New Testament recovered the values of the women (John 8:1-11, 1Peter 3). The human values were rescued (Philemon). And Love were spread over the humanity (Matthew 5:44) thank you to the living New Testament (Matthew 5, 1 John 3, James 2:14+).

Nothing of this has been hid, but publicly for testimony to the nations (Matthew 24:14), that history and evil men or good men can not deny. Only the spirit of the antichrist and his fellows can deny the products of the New Testament according to what is declared in its pages written with the blood of the Christians:

http://www.churchesofchrist.net/topics/Mark_A_Copeland/ca/ca_07.htm


Holy Heavenly Father, in the name of you Holy Son, please gives your Holy Spirit to those descendants of Israel that have ears but don't listen, have eyes but don't see, have mind but don't understand that is against you the bad things that invent against your Son (Psalm 2), please, Father break those hearts of Stone and give them hearts of flesh. Amen.

GOD has made THREE major pacts with the human race:

years: 0000 Adam Pact was made with Adam in two stages(Gen 1 & Gen 2)
years: 1656 Noah Pact was made with the descendant of Noah (Gen 9)
years: 4170 Gentiles Pact (Genesis 28:14, Psalm 110:4, Daniel 7:14)

Between these other have been made:

0000: GOD made pact with Adam (Oseas 6:7)
........687 pact with Enoch (Genesis 5:22). He kept the pact only after Matusalen was born
.......1056 pact with Noah (Genesis 6:9) . Noah kept the personal pact all the time
1656:GOD made pact with the humanity through Noah and his sons (Gen 9:9)
2060:GOD made pact with Abraham-Isaac-Jacob (Exodus 2:24). They kept the pact
2668:GOD made pact with the sons of Israel (Exodus 19:5). They didn't kept the pact
3105:GOD made pact With David (2Samuel 23:5). David kept the personal pact
3700: Those that returned form the exile made pact with GOD (Nehemiah). Didn't keep it.
4170:GOD made pact with people that is not a nation (Psalm 110:4, Oseas 2:23)

From Shet first son to the pact of Enoch passed around 450 years. After the rapture of Enoch to the personal pact with Noah-Gen 7:16(around the time when He begot Shem-Cam-Japhet: Gen 6:9-10) passed around 483 years. After the pact with the humanity till the pact with Abrah-Isaac-Jacob passed around 483 years. From this pact to the pact in the desert passed around 483 years. From the desert to the new temple passed 480 years. The span of 483 years (Daniel 9:25), between the return from Persia to Jesus follows the math of GOD. From the Pact made in the desert till Christ there are almost the same years of the time of the gentiles.

http://eliyah.com/forum2/Forum1/HTML/000296.html (the 23 years that nobody cares)

Brothers, sisters and friend help me to write an important article about those who didn't write (Hebrew 11:35-38).

GOD blesses you all.

Dear Eliyah if I don't see you here, I want to see in the New Kingdom. Our Lord Jesus Christ blesses you and your holy family.

With Love,
Josť Cadena


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Mattityahu

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posted 01-02-1999 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mattityahu   Click Here to Email Mattityahu     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Thanks Josť,
I was trying to figure out how the Scapegoat fit into the Crucifixion.
Shalom,
Matthew

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EliYah

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posted 01-02-1999 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EliYah   Click Here to Email EliYah     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Jose,

The only ones who have changed the names to one of their own liking is the false leaders. They have changed the Father's name, "Yahweh" to "The Lord" and have changed the Son's name "Yahshua" to "Jesus". This is a historical and scriptural fact that most christian pastors and scholars even admit. But they say that it doesn't matter. Yet the scriptures say that it does matter and you also have said it does matter.

Jose, once again I suggest that you seek out the scriptures praying for the guidance of the Holy Spirit rather than seeking the words of man. It seems that you are quite confused?

With love in His service,

EliYah

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Jose Cadena

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posted 01-02-1999 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jose Cadena   Click Here to Email Jose Cadena     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Dear Eliyah, Peace to you

Can you email me a scanned copy of Sanhedrin 43™, the portion that Mc Dowell cite here?. I already can distinguish most of Hebrew characters.

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