posted 01-30-2000 12:14 AM            

Shalom (Peace) and Chesed (Loving-Kindness) to you in Yahshua's Name and to all of the scattered brethren who comprise the Great Family of Yahweh.I'm interested to see anyone responding to this post who has done some in-depth research on the most ancient pronunciation of our Heavenly Father's Name in Hebrew (or the original language given to Adam and Eve).

I’ve been using the pronunciation "Yahweh", since I was ten years old. However, recently I’ve come in contact with some brethren who use the pronunciation of "Yahveh", because some of the language scholars assert that the pronunciation had to be "Yahveh" in the time of Mosheh. Does anyone have any concrete evidence about this subject that they can email to me and/or post? I believe that either form is correct as the set-apart name of our Creator. However, I would like to know and use whichever form of His name is most correct. I'm talking more than the debate concerning Sephardic hebrew using the "w" and Askenazi hebrew using the "v". I'm referring to ancient hebrew or the semitic language that was in use before that period.

posted 01-30-2000 02:59 AM            

i have no way of judging the source- just sharing the info.

posted 01-30-2000 08:19 AM            

Shalom,
Sue

posted 02-01-2000 08:31 PM            

Hello Follower,

It is interesting how cultural tradition caused people to not speak the sacred name of Yah,
yet, they threw around names like 'elohiym and Adonis (oops, I mean Adonay), like they
were non-sacred common place names. Failure to cover names like this with the tradition
that urged people not to take the sacred name on their "uncircumcized lips" is a good
indication that the 'el and 'Adon forms were simply heathen replacements. In the book of
Malakyah, Father Yah addresses the importance of his name in every chapter of this
prophecy directly to help his people understand why this truth is so critical to their faith.

Chapter 1 : Yah points out how the heathen have more respect for his great and dreadful
name than his own people.

Chapter 2 : Father Yah points out that the priests of Levi will have a double curse placed
on their blessings which were already cursed and that their seed would be corrupted if
they didn't stop polluting the praise and glorification of his name.

Chapter 3 : Yah promises that those who think often upon his name will be written into
his book of rememberance and that these will be among his jewels when he makes up his
people (See also Isayah 52:6, Zacharyah 13:9).

Chapter 4 : Father Yah promises that healing comes from his name.

Now, if Father Yah goes to such great lengths in Malakyah to identify the importance of
his name, and he does not make it readily available to his people, then there is
something definitely wrong. While many scholars play around with elaborate theories of
what is going on in Hebrew, the poor uneducated saps are left worrying if they fall under
the ignorance promoted by the modern preachers concerning the truth about the sacred
name. Yet, to deal with our concerns, Father Yah promises to make the matter very simple
for the righteous who really want to know and follow the truth. In Hosayah 2:16-17 we are
told that Yah plans to remove the false names of Ba'al-am from out of the mouth of his
people. We see that to accomplish this task, Father Yah told Zaphanyah, in Zaphanyah
3:9, that he would return a pure language so that his true people could call upon his name
with "one consent".

Now, for these prophecies to have any real meaning and not be pointless statements on
the Creator's part over nothing, a real problem of Ba'al worship must exist among his
people that needs to be taken care of by him. Otherwise, why would he harp on a issue
that isn't even an issue. Since the relationship between 'el, b'el, and ba'al is so definitely
solid, I tend to believe that the 'el forms are the most offensive titles that are promoted
among his people today. Just look at how often
the people returned to Ba'al worship between the Exodus and the
Crucifixion. Even by 321 AD., Christianity was already back to
worshipping on the day of the Sun. Why? Could it have anything to do with the notion that
'el (or generic for "god") is worshipped among us today. Any religion who claims that their
deity and/or Creator is "God" openly worships 'el (god). There is absolutely nothing special
about'el because whether you worship 'elohiym or Ba'al, your worship buzz word came
from the name of this Canaanite Sun god 'el (god) himself.

So, how will Yah return a pure language to fulfill his promise of Zaphanyah 3:9 and clean
up the mess that he addresses in Hosayah 2:16-17? If you remember, after 430-years in
Egypt, Yah sent his servant Mosheh back to deliver his people from the hands of Pharoah.
Before Mosheh went, he went down to the local Jewish book store and did an elaborate
word study on the sacred name so that his book knowledge would produce the correct
answer when the people of Yah asked him what the Father's name was, right? No! Not at
all. Though it is fun to try to derive
the Father's name from the polluted literature around us, it has always been Yah's method
to reveal his sacred name in the purity of his own language as he did for Mosheh and
Yisrayl and also promised to do again in Zaphanyah 3:9.

It helps to see if Yah gave any clues by which to isolate where the truth is to be found
before diving into the research of this topic head first. Like many people who have looked
for this sacred name, I made a common mistake in thinking that I had to learn the name
used by Adam and Eve prior to the flood, in order to have an accurate view. As I began to
go after this information, I found a few things that indicated that this approach was
completely unnecessary.

1. Father Yah himself confused the languages at the time of the tower of
Babel.

Would the Father's move to confuse the languages be a barrier that was purposely placed
between us and the immediate post flood era to keep us from learning his name, or did
Father Yah plan to make the knowledge of his name known to later generations as well
without the need to fight with all the confusion that he purposely instituted among the
languages
at this time? I began to wonder that maybe a proper pronounciation of his name was more
readily available to our time from asking myself questions like this.

2. Isayah 8:20 tells us that we should test what is taught to the standard of the "Law"
and "Testimony". Well, these sources are all from Mosheh's time onward and do not
require that we go back prior to this standard to find doctrinal truth. Even if we do, it must
match the truth of the Law and Testimony before it can be considered doctrinally sound.
This would tend to indicate that Yah's name should be directly found in the "Law" if it is
truly discernable. Well, Mosheh's claims to have received this name openly. Unless he was
wrong, we can expect that
Exodus 3:13-15 is the authority on what the Father's name is and how that name should
be pronounced.

3. Father Yah did not lie to Mosheh in Exodus 3:13-15 when he claimed that the name of
verse 14 was the memorial of his name forever in verse 15.

In this third point, it is very important to consider why Mosheh was told that Yah was the
being that the father's of the Hebrews served in conjunction with the fact that the name
that he just gave to Mosheh was his memorialized name forever. Father Yah answered him
in this way to help us realize that the 'el and 'Adon forms that are traditionally used in
place of Yah's name were simply not the memorialized name that the forefathers used
prior to the experience in Egypt, but rather, they were an elaborate hoax designed to
mislead people away from the memorial
given to Mosheh that must critically agree with the "one name"
of Zacharyah 14:9 that will be learned as a result of
Zaphanyah 3:9's prophetic promise of Yah returning the pure language that will cause his
people to call upon his name with "one consent". Furthermore, if the truth given to Adam
was the same truth given to Mosheh, then Exodus 3:13-15 is the authority of what the
memorial of Yah's name must be. If Adam and Mosheh received different names, then it is
beyond man's control to discern which is more valid accept to say that Yah claimed that
the name he gave Mosheh was the memorial that was supposed to last forever. I am
unaware of Adam receiving such a memorial, but if one exists that could lead to a more
sure pronounciation of our Creator's name, then I would be honored to see the claim in
question! However, I tend to believe that the matter is more readily available to the
unlearned than to the great scholars of
our time and is sitting right there in Exodus 3:13-15.

It would simply not make sense for the
Hebrews to receive the 3rd commandment and not know their Creator's name. It had to be
well known at that time because a man died in Leviticus 24 for blaspheming it in public.
So, we can see that the true pronounciation of Yah's name can in effect be found in the
Hebrew language of the time of Mosheh or the law condemned an innocent man under the
direction of Yah's own counsel in Leviticus 24 for blaspheming a name that was not even
Yah's sacred name! Seeing that I believe that the Creator is just and fair, I believe that
this man committed a real
transgression of blasphemy of the real sacred name and was punished accordingly. Thus it
follows that I believe that a proper pronounciation can be derived simply from the Hebrew
of that time.

As for the pronounciation of YHWH or YHVH, I doubt that either one of these
replacements of Yah's name is a guide to an accurate pronounciation of his sacred name.
I've never seen anything that confirms the validity of these two forms and how they are to
be pronounced. Most of the information I have read about YHWH and YHVH seems to
suggest that they are conjectural transliterations at best. I personally believe that
Strong's 1961 "hayah" is the most accurate rendering that there is to date. Most major
theories center heavily around the use of "yah" either in totality or partially, when it
comes to identifying how the sacred name should be rendered. Even in the two views,

Yahweh and Yahveh

we see that Yah is foundationally supported as the most consistant rendering. A proper
pronounciation is probably available from a close comparison of Strong's 1961 "hayah" and
Strong's 3050 "yahh". Even in the name "Yahshua" the short form seems to be prefered
over the long form to show a direct relationship between the name of the Father and the
Son that was sent in his name. This causes me to wonder if the longer pronounciations
have extraneous extensions that are not
necessarily part of the original pronunciation.